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Old 06-14-2009, 11:27 AM   #1
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Are there any brands that are better or worse than others, for such things as

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Old 06-14-2009, 12:16 PM   #2
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Default Re: Advice on parts brands ?

With regards to these parts, there are only a few parent companies that make them for dozens if not hundreds of different nameplates. They are all quite comparable in quality.

But here's my opinion.

Starter and alternators: As long as you don't buy the cheapest option that doesn't come with a lifetime warranty you really can't go wrong. Watch the terminology. The words "rebuilt" and "remanufactured" are often used interchangeably and people think they mean the same thing, but that is not true.

A rebuilt part just gets the worn pieces (i.e. brushes, bearings) of it replaced with new ones. As long as the elecrical pieces test out ok, they usually don't get replaced. Most of these offer a limited warranty of some sort but usually not a lifetime warranty. Buy these only if you are in a tight pinch or plan on selling the vehicle.

A remanufactured part has all of its servicable pieces replaced, regardless of their condition. These almost always offer a lifetime warranty. These are usually the best bang for the buck. I almost always get these.

A new part is the most expensive because everything is new, including the case or "core" as it is often referred. These always offer a lifetime warranty.

About the struts, as far as O.E.M. type replacements. The two main players are Gabriel (AutoZone, Carquest) and Tenneco (sold virtually everywhere else, they make AC Delco and Monroe suspension components). The Tenneco products seem to be of better quality, but they are usually priced slightly higher and a bit easier to install. The Tenneco products use a similar slot to O.E. on the top of the strut shaft to hold it still when you tighen the shaft nut. The Gabriel strut shafts have them blasted oval ends that are a pain to work with when installing them.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:48 PM   #3
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For engine replacement parts I've gone with Autozone. Especially their Duralast, in the past, has come with a FREE replacement policy, depending on the part. Now, I've gone with them on such things as my water pump, radiator, even brake pads because Autozone would replace them for free, for as long as I owned the car-------simply because I planned and still do plan to keep the car for another 100K. How can you go wrong? And these aren't rebuilt parts, they're new. I have about 70K on my water pump and radiator and still no problems but when it goes, I'll get another for free. I'm not calling these parts the best, but for me, I couldn't find a better deal. But if you're not planning on keeping the car that long, I'm sure there are cheaper ways to go.
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If you ever need motor mounts, do not buy from AZ
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for struts I recommend KYB GR-2 struts. they are firmer than OE and cost less and they allow more camber adjustment without grinding and no "camber kit" is needed with them.
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As to starters and alternators, as ruley73 pointed out the vast majority of these components are either rebuilt or remanufactured. This work is done by several large companies that then distribute the product in the box of your choice for sale in your store. What that means is if you buy a starter from say NAPA and one from AutoZone they very likely came from the same place. The 1 year warranty starter is exactly the same as the lifetime starter except for the price in most cases also. Might be a different colored box though.

The large rebuilders/remanufacturers do this work with minimum wage labor on an assembly line process. The quality is not there. The quality of the "new" parts is abysmal. In the local automotive electrical shop they will test everyone of these parts before installing them. When you buy that starter or alternator from the local autoparts store you are going to be doing this testing. That lifetime warranty is not worth much in the middle of the night several hundred miles from anywhere.

So, the best approach is to locate a local automotive electrical shop that has a good reputation and take your core in for a rebuild. Most of them will do that work while you wait. There are several of these shops that also do mail order and produce a high quality product.
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Actually, this is easily the best alternative to the O.E. mount from the dealership. It doesn't use the "frown" design like all the others. I've had one in my car for 2 years and I have had no problems with it. And believe me, my TAM has seen plenty of stress.
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The problem is just this, its an order in part and you have no idea what is in the box until you open it. Could be either design. If you spend the extra $20.00 you know what you are buying.
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The problem is just this, its an order in part and you have no idea what is in the box until you open it. Could be either design. If you spend the extra $20.00 you know what you are buying.
I didn't know that stores had to order them. All of the stores around here stock them. If you have to order them, order the Duralast mount (not the Anchor) and you should get the better design. The part number (A2827) matches the one found on the DEA box which is known to be of the better design.
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The Duralast is the one that may be of either design. The A2827 is the Anchor number for the top mount. If the store stocks them then you can open boxes.

Anchor manufactures most of the mounts that you see from anyone. The last OEM Saturn top mount of the good design that I bought was marked with the Anchor mark and had the Saturn part number molded into the rubber.
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The part number (A2827) matches the one found on the DEA box which is known to be of the better design.
Might still be a crapshoot. Bottom line, open the box before you pay and leave the store.

When I went to my local AZ, it had a frowny face mount inside. I'm only about 80% sure that I asked for the A2827 part number, though. Can't recall for sure if I checked the number on the box (I think I did) but no joy inside.
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All of the aftermarket top mounts are 2827 and most are A2827. The only one that might be good is in a blue box with yellow gears printed on it.
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Are there any brands that are better or worse than others, for such things as

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Anyone have opinions on this?
In regards to starters; I've used NSA Starters that can be bought through Rockauto. They are an exact replica of the the Valeo Starter that is OEM. I haven't had any problems with the ones I have used.

Alternators: I've use the Duralast Gold Alternator "BRAND NEW"...NOT Remanufactered/Rebuilt, from Autozone with good results so far.

Just my personal preference that I don't want to take "The Chance" that a rebuilt or remanufactred electrical part is going to go south.

I prefer to go all new on electrical. Just my 2 cents.
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After reading through this, I tend to agree with 2ndsOut. Apparently a big Genesis fan
My brother in law has a motto, "I want to pay more", in other words, don't nickel and dime when the best costs only a small % more.
Alternators and starters seem to be particularly annoying to change on these cars, might as well use good ones!
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