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Old 03-17-2021, 02:25 PM   #1
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quick question - when putting the belt back on and the tensioner is released, the AC is the last pulley you pull it over, right?
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Old 03-17-2021, 03:17 PM   #2
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It's been a while but I think I shoot for the alternator last. It is a small pulley so easier to sneak it on. But, any way you can get it on is good.
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Old 03-17-2021, 04:26 PM   #3
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Finally got it with the AC. I was thinking smallest pulley, but AC seems to work once I win the fight with the crank....and all the other pulleys. Not. Fun.

Head back to my other thread for the exiting results of my pulley test...
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Old 03-17-2021, 04:30 PM   #4
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There is one member here who claims he can walk up to the car and change that belt in 5 minutes or less. Not me!
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Old 03-17-2021, 04:58 PM   #5
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There is one member here who claims he can walk up to the car and change that belt in 5 minutes or less. Not me!
I feel like it's sheer luck.

here's my other wreck-of-a-thread http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=267901
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Old 03-19-2021, 12:06 AM   #6
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I use the ac only because I can set the belt up on the ac clutch so once you release the tension you only need to slide it over with one hand. Three hands is best of course.
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Old 03-19-2021, 03:37 PM   #7
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good point about the AC.
At first, I seem to have got it caught on something underneath the crank pulley but it all still lined up OK. Of course it was way shorter than I thought it should be, making it impossible to get over the AC. It's been a few years since I've done the belt, so I'm rather rusty.

I pulled it off a bit and tried to line it up again, at this point the belt and crank pulley decided they did not want to cooperate with me. I'm in there with my skinny arms and small hands - I don't know how you guys do it!

Persistence paid off; thank goodness this was all in the relative comfort of my driveway.

Then I'll do it all again when my new gatorback belt arrives...
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Old 03-20-2021, 01:16 AM   #8
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When working over on that belt side of the engine, for tensioner, water pump, alternator, etc, I remove the RF wheel and plastic splash shield. You get lots of access that way. Of course, the last time I suggested this I was blasted for "wasting time" by the guy that can change a belt in 5 minutes...
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Pretty sure that's a jab at me because you don't know how to work on these. Even Richpin swaps one out in under 4min....from the top, with nothing else removed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdhCzA0NcDQ
Saves me the bother of trying to track down another S-Series to do my own video on it.
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Old 03-20-2021, 01:46 AM   #10
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Thanks for responding, it verifies that there actually is somebody that feels only the inept can't change that belt in 5 minutes. I was afraid some folks might have thought I made that up...

Yeah, with a whole bunch of practice many things are possible, like making tigers appear "out of nowhere" or have the Statue of Liberty disappear. For those of us doing a specific belt-type every 20 years or so, that 5 minutes is not realistic, no matter what skill/experience/tools you have available.
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Old 03-20-2021, 11:22 PM   #11
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The only way I ever have success getting the belt in is by holding the tensioner through the wheel well and slipping the belt over either the crank or water pump last. I can never seem to get everything to stay in place when attempting from the top. It would probably help if I had a wrench longer than 12 inches that could reach the tensioner from the top, but I'm too cheap to buy the right tool when this one works fine with some effort, lol. Just means I'll never be changing a belt on the side of the road.
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Old 03-21-2021, 12:08 AM   #12
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I must be the only one that slides it over the smooth idler pulley lol.

Just did it today (ac compressor replacement). I put a 14mm closed end wrench on the tensioner pulley, lock a 15mm wrench onto the end of that one, and get just enough swing out of it to take the tension off the belt for removal and installation, all through the top side. Takes 30 seconds...
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I must be the only one that slides it over the smooth idler pulley lol.

Just did it today (ac compressor replacement). I put a 14mm closed end wrench on the tensioner pulley, lock a 15mm wrench onto the end of that one, and get just enough swing out of it to take the tension off the belt for removal and installation, all through the top side. Takes 30 seconds...
Same here, slip and slide over the pulley...
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The only way I ever have success getting the belt in is by holding the tensioner through the wheel well and slipping the belt over either the crank or water pump last. I can never seem to get everything to stay in place when attempting from the top. It would probably help if I had a wrench longer than 12 inches that could reach the tensioner from the top, but I'm too cheap to buy the right tool when this one works fine with some effort, lol. Just means I'll never be changing a belt on the side of the road.
I'm pretty cheap, too, but I went ahead and bought the actual belt tool (long and slim) after messing around my halfassed cheater wrench, mostly because I did want to be able to do this as easily as possible in a roadside scenario.
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I ended up making a tool out of a 14mm ratcheting wrench and a piece of 3/16" steel stock. Drilled holes on either side of the wrench, and both ends, then screwed in flat head screws to taper down and hold the wrench in place. Electrical tape to cover the screws and make it look presentable. I like this because I can ratchet the lever into the best position possible to make the best swing to move the tensioner.

I made this a couple of years ago when I was testing to see if my engine noise was timing chain or serpentine belt area.
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I must be the only one that slides it over the smooth idler pulley lol.

Just did it today (ac compressor replacement). I put a 14mm closed end wrench on the tensioner pulley, lock a 15mm wrench onto the end of that one, and get just enough swing out of it to take the tension off the belt for removal and installation, all through the top side. Takes 30 seconds...
I think I've done it that way, but seem to have done it a different way every time I had to take it off.

I often had the wheel and liner off for the other parts of the repair, and from there it is easy no matter which way you do it. Well, unless you do one of the upper pulleys last.
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I must be the only one that slides it over the smooth idler pulley lol.

Just did it today (ac compressor replacement). I put a 14mm closed end wrench on the tensioner pulley, lock a 15mm wrench onto the end of that one, and get just enough swing out of it to take the tension off the belt for removal and installation, all through the top side. Takes 30 seconds...
What compressor did you buy?

I have a variety of serp belt tools but in the end nothing is as fast as removing the splash shield and just using a wrench on the tensioner bolt while reaching up and sliding the belt over. Over the years I've tried trick to avoid pulling the wheel but it always took more time.

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What compressor did you buy?

I have a variety of serp belt tools but in the end nothing is as fast as removing the splash shield and just using a wrench on the tensioner bolt while reaching up and sliding the belt over. Over the years I've tried trick to avoid pulling the wheel but it always took more time.

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Regarding A/C replacement....

Nothing but Jealous !!!

You should document on the forum the steps (and pix) you did.

With FDryer's help, I did my 1996 SC2 about 14 years ago (2007).
Now, I need to do it again.....oy !

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Regarding A/C replacement....
Might want to take a quick read about replacing a thermal fuse in the compressor (unless you know from symptoms that it's definitely not the fuse)

https://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=172866

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