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Old 09-15-2009, 07:48 PM   #1
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Default Cool, "Right to repair" bill in Massachusetts

A site popular with the Linux crowd is Slashdot.org, today they mentioned that Mass. is considering a law requiring the OBD type info and more to be made public enough that dedicated individuals can work on their own cars. The idea being, don't have consumers completely beholden to dealers to fix the slightest thing.

I think it's a great idea and I'm sure all DIY'ers will be cheering for this. I think it's great that cars will have lots of info such as OBD diagnostics, but it would be a travesty to have only a few dealer tools be able to *read* those diagnostics.

Here's the article if anyone is curious:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/...-Massachusetts

http://www.patriotledger.com/opinion...ealer-to-owner
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Old 09-18-2009, 02:22 PM   #2
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Most FLAPS can already read OBD codes for you, usually for free. There are also plenty of readers for DIYers to purchase. Where's the travesty?
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I agree, code readers are cheaply available from any Auto Parts place and most Auto Parts stores will read your codes for free. So, whats the bill really about?
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Most FLAPS can already read OBD codes for you, usually for free. There are also plenty of readers for DIYers to purchase. Where's the travesty?
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The tools and information are already out there. If you don't know where to look or what to get and don't know how to find out either, then you're best off going to a repair shop anyways because you're very likely going to be in over your head. Cars are still pretty simple IMO, but the average Joe would likely think otherwise.
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Default Re: Cool, "Right to repair" bill in Massachusetts

I think the difference is that even though most of the info is out there to find, there's no law requiring it.

IMO the biggest problem is the locations that have/give access to the information (like libraries) don't advertise that they do.

As "simple" as a '78 F250's engine should be, it's all greek to a kid like me that grew up with computer controlled "plug 'n' play" systems... lol
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Most FLAPS can already read OBD codes for you, usually for free. There are also plenty of readers for DIYers to purchase. Where's the travesty?
ok, dumb question but whats a FLAPS anyways?
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ok, dumb question but whats a FLAPS anyways?
I'm not completely sure, but I believe it is an acronym referring to auto parts stores.
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FLAPS = friendly local auto parts store
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The tools and information are already out there.
The trouble is, they're not. Think of how many "Saturn specific" OBD2 codes there are that aren't documented with most/all code readers. If you've ever worked with imports, there are tons of manufacturer specific codes and other computer giblets that are not available to the consumer. Think about having to use a Tech 2 tool to bleed your ABS system, or to reset the automatic transmission adaptives on a late model S series. Etc., etc. A lot of the old time mechanics I know are running into problems related to this stuff... The information and tools are "out there," but only if you're willing to pay several-grand-plus for documentation and software, sign contracts, or enter service agreements.
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