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Old 05-17-2011, 12:01 PM   #1
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Default I debonged my 3.5!

I wish I had done this a long time ago! I just made the last payment a few weeks ago and I didn't want to start doing anything to it until it was paid for. Its barely noticeable until you really wind it up. You should see the look on people's faces when you hit it with their windows down It wasn't a real pain in the arse, but I did have to get the Sawzall out and cut away at it. I just removed the passenger headlight-I really didn't feel like taking the bumper off. It only took about 45 minutes from start to finish. Here is a video of what it sounds like:

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Old 05-17-2011, 02:43 PM   #2
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What does debonged mean?
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Old 05-17-2011, 04:09 PM   #3
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Can you post a picture of where you cut the bong to remove it? I had trouble with this a few days ago. Kind of nervous to cut it up. So when the bong is removed you just leave that big hole in the bottom of the OEM air box open?
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Old 05-17-2011, 04:10 PM   #4
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Don't stop with the de-bong...finish it up with true ram air.

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Old 05-17-2011, 07:23 PM   #5
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Can you post a picture of where you cut the bong to remove it? I had trouble with this a few days ago. Kind of nervous to cut it up. So when the bong is removed you just leave that big hole in the bottom of the OEM air box open?
I already threw the pieces out that I cut. There wasn't any real rhyme or reason-I just made sure not to cut foglight + headlight wires! And yes there is just a big hole at the bottom of the airbox, but that's why it sounds so awesome! I will just have to check the air filter a little more often now.

And djb383, I can't do the ram air system you are referring to-I have factory fog lights
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:08 PM   #6
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........And djb383, I can't do the ram air system you are referring to-I have factory fog lights
Yep, ours has factory fogs too, the ram-air intake is behind the grille........review the pics.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:57 PM   #7
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Yep, ours has factory fogs too, the ram-air intake is behind the grille........review the pics.
Oops-I was looking at the pics on my teeny tiny Blackberry screen. I think I am going to leave it like it is. That setup looks like it would just needlessly draw water up into the intake.
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No problems for 5 years now. Water has a tendency to not run uphill.....u do need to clean bugs off the filter element as ram-air works quite well.
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:07 AM   #9
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That setup looks like it would just needlessly draw water up into the intake.
I've been debonged for........ 6, 6.5 years or so. Driven through many midwestern downpours, even through water up to the running boards (slowly) and haven't had any water ingestion issues.
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:14 AM   #10
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.......and the factory filter box has holes in the bottom for drainage. Isn't the whole idea about more/cooler air? I just thought it was a good way to maximize de-bonging......took it a step further.

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Old 05-18-2011, 03:53 PM   #11
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You need to pretty much submerge the throttle body in water before an engine will hydro-lock.

I took this a step further and heat-wrapped the tube that goes over the engine. Didn't reduce the intake temp at all, but it kept the heat from building up when stopped in traffic a bit.
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IIRC, after I did the ram-air, intake air temp dropped to almost ambient temp while crusing. Before ram-air, intake air temp was something like 25+ degrees higher than ambient, again, while crusing. Not much difference moving slow/stopped.
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Old 05-18-2011, 08:29 PM   #13
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I have the K&N filter & some 5" pipe directing air straight from my fog light inlet to the filter. When cruising, I notice the temperature is a constant 13 degrees hotter than the outside temp.
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Is the K&N metal? Absorbing heat?
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Is the K&N metal? Absorbing heat?
Yes, it's wrapped in insulation though.
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Hummm, could '04 vs '06 intake air sensors be located differently? I don't know.....but that was about the 1st thing I noticed, how much closer to ambient temp the intake temp was......like <5 degrees above ambient when at speed.
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K&N does relocate the sensor to further down the line from the filter. Your ram air probably blows right onto the sensor, as mine has to make a bend before it reaches the sensor.

If you feel the air inside the heat shield, it's much colder than the air in the engine bay. Tomorrow I'm going to bypass the throttle body coolant hose and possibly order some Phenolic spacers.


If K&N claims 11hp, I wonder how much your getting from your $14.00 setup.
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Mine sounded pretty much the same, with the CAI. But now without the mid-muffler, it sounds even more throaty.



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Do u still have the stock mid-muff? Can u post a pic taken from one end looking in?
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Do u still have the stock mid-muff? Can u post a pic taken from one end looking in?
No, I've thrown it out. But i can describe it quite easily, it was straight through, about a 1/2 narrower then the rest of the system, looked like a chease grater on the inside (that many holes). Other then that, nothing else interesting about it.



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