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Old 09-05-2021, 12:01 PM   #21
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"Why was this Saturn Scrapped"

One answer: "S-Series cars tend to rust at the rear door sills, as well as near the engine and transmission cradle, a situation that often leads to a failed Pennsylvania inspection.
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what about automatics? I have seen them with more than 180000 miles on the odometer.
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"Why was this Saturn Scrapped"

One answer: "S-Series cars tend to rust at the rear door sills, as well as near the engine and transmission cradle, a situation that often leads to a failed Pennsylvania inspection.
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I'm sure in states with full inspections, rusts has ended a lot of them. I'm guessing mine wouldn't pass in PA with how much of the underside is missing or patched with my great welds lol but I drive it hard & it seems to hold up fine. Luckily in Ohio they only do emissions testing so as long as the check engine light isn't on that is really all they care about.
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Having gone to the junkyard dozens of times for S Series parts, Iíd say itís usually an auto trans failure if weíre not counting some sort of collision.

Rusting at the rear door sills is a problem, but it doesnít look like the owner got rid of the car for that reason. Iíve driven manual transmissions without fluid on the S series and they still shift so I donít think itís that either. We don't have inspections here so unless the engine falls out on the road, the owner will keep driving.
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What causes automatics to fail? I have never seen one stop working completely.
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What causes automatics to fail? I have never seen one stop working completely.
My late father worked in a lab at a lubricant additive manufacturing company (Lubrizol) in Wickliffe OH. He used to say that if people changed their transmission fluid (at recommended intervals) they would put the transmission shops out of business.
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What causes automatics to fail? I have never seen one stop working completely.
In the S Series when the transmission service schedule is not followed the valve body ports get sludge which causes a hard shift that is most prominent in reverse at the onset. If left too long then the input shaft nut backs off and you lose gears. This is the primary reason they get sent to the bone yard.

Transmission shops usually make it bigger than it really is ("Sorry, you need a new transmission") as they are not familiar with this Saturn quirk. An outrageous quote in the thousands is enough to push the owner to replacing the car. In reality they can replace the valve body and tighten the input shaft nut and the problem is usually resolved.

The other S Series quirk which resulted from spinning tires frequently is that you will throw the differential pin. It backs out and hits the case and creates a hole in the side and hemorrhages fluid.

So in both cases it is user caused issues.
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I might have transmission issues in a 1999 sc1 that I just finished cleaning out the interior on (the windows had been left open). The previous owner said it was losing 1st and 5th gears after 30 minutes of driving, and I topped off the ATF, but dad I can not test drive it until dad gets over sickness... If it has more serious issues, I just happen to have a spare engine and transmission...
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I might have transmission issues in a 1999 sc1 that I just finished cleaning out the interior on (the windows had been left open). The previous owner said it was losing 1st and 5th gears after 30 minutes of driving, and I topped off the ATF, but dad I can not test drive it until dad gets over sickness... If it has more serious issues, I just happen to have a spare engine and transmission...
In it's early stages you can perform a procedure called wolfman's reverse slam cure. It's basically changing the fluid and filter, securing the car and putting it in reverse and letting it sit for 20-30 minutes. Here is the post.....Reverse "Slam" Cure in Saturn Autotransaxles

In your case you are probably looking at tightening the input shaft nut and possibly a valve body >> Reverse Slam - Input Shaft Nut Replacement How-To Version 2
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Old 09-09-2021, 01:46 PM   #30
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Well, can speak for my '98 SL2...valve body (1st) causing the Input Shaft Nut to loosen and lose reverse....fortunately, a fairly easy fix....I bought the SL2 from a junkyard, and did the work myself; roughly about $300 in parts (remanufactured valve body) and about a total of 6 hours labor (not much for the body, more so for trying to get the side cover of the tranny off
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Conversations about my saturn which is not in a junkyard (yet) seem a bit off-topic for a thread that I started to have fun looking for clues about how S series ended up in junkyards. I have started a new thread for specifically that purpose here: http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...23#post2365323
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Old 09-12-2021, 07:16 PM   #32
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That is interesting someone in the junk yard removed the valve cover.
That would have been me if I'd found it first

My 96 SL2 has had a cracked valve cover for a while now and I've had a helluva time trying to locate one to replace it.

Alas, I ended up in an accident last week that crushed the front of my car. So now I fear my SL2 will become one of these junkyard autopsies 😬 Unless someone here is interested in it for parts...?
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lanxer57, you may have found the holy grail of Saturns. As you know, the S-series are the oldest Saturns with Saturn discontinued in 2010, eleven years ago. The ten year parts support after factory shutdown means parts no longer available. The salvage yards, eBay, Amazon and Craigslist are sources of remaining new and used parts. Vehicles in salvage yards are stolen, damaged and worn out with insurance not supporting repairs costing more than the vehicle is worth so they end up in junk yards. A collector with space and skills can Frankenstein various parts to make a whole Saturn but not worth it compared to the time and labor to resurrect a running car from salvage yard parts. Diehards are the few willing to scavenge parts to make theirs run beyond their lifetime.

And then there's this; https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/cu...len-parts/amp/. A beemer from stolen parts London police discovered in a meet. It went to the crusher.
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:57 PM   #34
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I can not currently buy any more cars (the neighbours are already complaining with only 2 in front of the house). I would first need a lot of money to buy land far from civilization. What is this "holy grail" you refer to? It it the 4 junkyards that are close enough to denver for me to visit? (that I know of) Or is it the 2001 SC1 that I have parted out into little more than a skeleton after crashing it? (the 2nd vehicle my neighbours hate)
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The phrase 'holy grail' is a religious term describing a long sought after cup in Jesus' last supper. Stories and movies like Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Saturn being discontinued in 2010 would make finding rare Saturn parts another version of the hunt for parts around the country - the holy grail to some diehard Saturn owners seeking rare parts
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I wonder how many diehard saturn owners live in denver. Are some parts more rare than others? If I could ever be left alone at a junkyard for a day, I would go crazy anyway (Understatement: I enjoy pulling parts from junkyards), so why not put all that craziness toward getting parts for people? I could always use another excuse to visit junkyards!
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I wonder how many diehard saturn owners live in denver. Are some parts more rare than others? If I could ever be left alone at a junkyard for a day, I would go crazy anyway (Understatement: I enjoy pulling parts from junkyards), so why not put all that craziness toward getting parts for people? I could always use another excuse to visit junkyards!
O.E. Drive Axles, that are not worn-out, are difficult to get. They are a critical part....as in, ďI am going to junk my car if I cannot get good drive axles for itĒ.
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I dunno why they would end up being junked as where I live, cheap gas friendly cars are hard to find. Two of my sc 2 s ended up in the junkyard only because I wrote them off. Still have my very first Saturn and am passing it along to a student to get around in...too often we are a throw away society. Great thread!
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When selling anything, or doing anything related to money, I assume it is illegal unless told otherwise. I would gladly gift hundreds of dollars in parts that I buy if I can get an excuse to visit the junkyard. (unless selling parts without an expensive license is somehow legal, I could always use the funds)
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Engine cradles in good shape. I don't know how you'd handle the engine in a junkyard though. Also, OEM motor mounts in good shape. I've heard the after market mounts aren't very good.
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