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Old 11-04-2005, 08:07 PM   #1
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Default help w/ sc2 clutch replacement

Hello all,
I'm new to the forums and this is my first post. I've searched around a bit and can't seem to find an answer to my question. I've agreed to replace the clutch in my roommates 95 sc2 as sort of a favor/break from graduate school.
I've replaced clutches in
92 mitsu 3000gt
94 nissan sentra
91 ford ranger
92 chevy cavalier

Now, the question I have for this vehicle: i read in a chilton manual that I need to remove the engine, not the transmission to get to the clutch. ARE THEY SERIOUS??? I think i should be able to do it by removing the halfshafts, a bunch of other junk and then sliding the tranny out. Is that right?

Thanks in advance for the help.
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Old 11-04-2005, 08:12 PM   #2
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Hello all,
I'm new to the forums and this is my first post. I've searched around a bit and can't seem to find an answer to my question. I've agreed to replace the clutch in my roommates 95 sc2 as sort of a favor/break from graduate school.
I've replaced clutches in
92 mitsu 3000gt
94 nissan sentra
91 ford ranger
92 chevy cavalier

Now, the question I have for this vehicle: i read in a chilton manual that I need to remove the engine, not the transmission to get to the clutch. ARE THEY SERIOUS??? I think i should be able to do it by removing the halfshafts, a bunch of other junk and then sliding the tranny out. Is that right?

Thanks in advance for the help.
jesse
You cant get the tranny out without taking the cradle out. And you cant get the engine out forom the top unless you pull it all.
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Old 11-04-2005, 08:33 PM   #3
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Welcome to the board. From what I've read on this site, you don't have to pull the engine but I don't know anything about a job like this. Search the "How To" section for other posts on this subject and you will get all sorts of information. Good luck,

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Old 11-04-2005, 08:41 PM   #4
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:14 PM   #5
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You cant get the tranny out without taking the cradle out. And you cant get the engine out forom the top unless you pull it all.
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This post is full of misinformation.....The tranny doesn't have to come out to replace the clutch. You most certainly CAN however remove the tranny without removing the cradle. You also can get just the engine out the top and leave the tranny right where it is....though that is also unnecessary.

Take out the 2 cradle bolts on the tranny side of the frame. Undo the engine to tranny moutning bolts and the tranny mounts, yank the halfshafts and slide the tranny over. There is more than enough room to R+R the clutch components without removing the engine OR the tranny.
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:00 PM   #6
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Jesse you are right and don't give it a second thought.

The only place to be careful is the clutch slave cylinder; the nylon hose going into it is fragile. Push the cylinder in and rotate it 1/6 turn counter clockwise to free it then tape it to the upper radiator hose to keep it out of the way. Dont use the nylon pipe for leverage as tempting as it might seem!

You'll have to lose the air intake, battery, tray, inner fender shields... all pretty easy with common hand tools. 18mm for the lower ball joint.
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Old 11-05-2005, 12:04 AM   #7
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If you remove the shift tower and the inner fender plastic covers, you can slide the tranny into the space between the subframe and upper frame member. The tranny will sit nicely into the pocket and you won't have to remove any subframe bolts....
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Old 11-05-2005, 05:41 AM   #8
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thanks for all the responses guys, I'm impressed with these boards already. The roommate whose car I'm working on is all about the technology, etc so I'll see if i can get him to take some pictures and i'll do a write up from the perspective of someone who doesn't really know much about these cars. thanks again, i'm sure i'll have some questions as I go
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Old 11-06-2005, 01:15 AM   #9
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Hey,
So i've got a new problem. I took everything apart today and (just like you guys said) was able to get myself the six inches of clearance or so that I needed to change the clutch without removing the engine (or really the transmission).
Now I have a problem. The friction plate is not nearly as worn as I'd expected but there is definitely some oil on it, and there is a fair amount of oil in the bell housing. I've heard of rear main seals giving this trouble on other cars I've worked on, and from the threads I've read on this board, I'm hoping that's the problem with this one.
Once I remove the flywheel, is it going to be obvious to me how to replace the seal? I know I need to be careful to seat it correctly, but beyond that I have no idea of what's going on. Also, is it high enough up that I don't need to worry about draining the engine oil? seems to be far enough in the air that it wouldn't matter.

Also, how do i know if it's the fated "quill bearing" that i keep reading about here on the boards. Sounds like that requires a bit of a tranny rebuild, something which I'm certainly not up for....

Thanks again in advance for all the help
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Old 11-15-2005, 06:39 PM   #10
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So, now i have something interesting going on.

The car died while i was driving it. I noticed the speedo and tach were at zero, so i thought maybe i didn't plug a sensor in well and it had come out. Then the whole car stalled out and stopped. Turning the key give no result, so I think the battery is dead. Seems to me like it might be a bad/disconnected alternator. it allowed the battery to run down while not charging it. What do you guys think?
thanks again
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So, now i have something interesting going on.

The car died while i was driving it. I noticed the speedo and tach were at zero, so i thought maybe i didn't plug a sensor in well and it had come out. Then the whole car stalled out and stopped. Turning the key give no result, so I think the battery is dead. Seems to me like it might be a bad/disconnected alternator. it allowed the battery to run down while not charging it. What do you guys think?
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My car wouldn't start or turn over or nothing until I replaced the battery. When these Saturn's die, they die, when it involves the battery. I'd have the alternator checked out---at least the connections first. Good luck,

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Old 11-15-2005, 11:16 PM   #12
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what would be a good clutch kit to go with?
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:54 PM   #13
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I just bought a stock clutch from Kragen for $130. It'll work fine if I don't try to do any work on the engine
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:50 AM   #14
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lots of good ideas. im gonna have to try them maybe i can make alittle more money on the next clutch i do at work. Thanks guys. As far as my original post goes thats they way the book says it and i never tried any other way.
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As far as the car dieing and not restarting check the 2 big ground cables that goto the bellhousing if left loose thec ar will act funny.
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LUK is OEM which seem to hold up pretty well. I've seen some others that recommend Valeo. Both can be had on Ebay at a reasonable price.
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Hello all,
I'm new to the forums and this is my first post. I've searched around a bit and can't seem to find an answer to my question. I've agreed to replace the clutch in my roommates 95 sc2 as sort of a favor/break from graduate school.
I've replaced clutches in
92 mitsu 3000gt
94 nissan sentra
91 ford ranger
92 chevy cavalier

Now, the question I have for this vehicle: i read in a chilton manual that I need to remove the engine, not the transmission to get to the clutch. ARE THEY SERIOUS??? I think i should be able to do it by removing the halfshafts, a bunch of other junk and then sliding the tranny out. Is that right?

Thanks in advance for the help.
jesse

i removed my tranny last year and it wasn't difficult, just time consuming. i took the hood off, supported the engine from the rafters in the garage, removed tires, axles, exhaust downpipe and cat, supported radiator and steering rack, removed engine cradle and then removed the tranny. you can easily get to the flywheel and clutch from there.

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Old 11-16-2005, 10:03 PM   #18
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You're suppose to replace the rear seal whenever you have the engine and tranny apart. It is a $10 item with 2 - 3 hrs of labor.
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Old 11-16-2005, 10:22 PM   #19
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I've read that if it's not leaking, don't mess with it. it's easy to seat incorrectly then you're guaranteed to have a problem costing you way more than $10.
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Old 11-16-2005, 11:32 PM   #20
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You do know what a seal looks like, right? I'll have to try really hard to seat a seal incorrectly.
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