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Old 03-26-2012, 01:07 PM   #1
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Default Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

This is for all of you who have encountered a broken front timing chain guide bolt when installing a new timing chain kit in a 2.2 ecotec engine. This works for all GM 2.2 ecotec dohc engines that I have encountered so far. Such as Pontiac, Chevrolet and others. Also any Saturn using the 2.2 ecotec not just limited to the L series cars.
After fixing many of these, I figured there had to be a better way to deal with this issue.
I am sharing this with everyone because I know what a hassle this is to repair.

If someone feels that it can be shared with other forums feel free to share it as long as it is OK with the Moderator. I've attached a couple photo's of this fix
that I had made up and it works great and is easy to install too.
It uses the original threaded access plug hole to make a strong and accurate support for the chain guide. (I think this is so much better than the weak and trouble-prone original design) Hopefully I will be able to attach the pictures.
If the pictures dont show please feel free to contact me and I will send them to you.
This is a great forum with tons of excellent information.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:00 PM   #2
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

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This is for all of you who have encountered a broken front timing chain guide bolt when installing a new timing chain kit in a 2.2 ecotec engine. This works for all GM 2.2 ecotec dohc engines that I have encountered so far. Such as Pontiac, Chevrolet and others. Also any Saturn using the 2.2 ecotec not just limited to the L series cars.
After fixing many of these, I figured there had to be a better way to deal with this issue.
I am sharing this with everyone because I know what a hassle this is to repair.

If someone feels that it can be shared with other forums feel free to share it as long as it is OK with the Moderator. I've attached a couple photo's of this fix
that I had made up and it works great and is easy to install too.
It uses the original threaded access plug hole to make a strong and accurate support for the chain guide. (I think this is so much better than the weak and trouble-prone original design) Hopefully I will be able to attach the pictures.
If the pictures dont show please feel free to contact me and I will send them to you.
This is a great forum with tons of excellent information.
I saw your pictures they look awsome! Nice looking drawing too.
Will this work on my 2004 Pontiac Grand Am SE? it has a 2.2 in it. with an automatic.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:41 PM   #3
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

Hi,

I forgot to ask if the part you made will work both EGR and non-egr heads? thanks. you can e-mail me also at bdbodycrab@yahoo.com
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:02 PM   #4
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

I saw both your questions.
Yes it will work on your 2004 Grand Am and it makes no difference
if it has egr or not.
Hope this helps.

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Old 03-27-2012, 05:45 AM   #5
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

I just noticed that you are in Minneapolis. I'm in Brooklyn Park, Mn.
My grand am is in the shop right now because the timing chain is getting
real noisy. The mechanic said he will put a new chain kit in it but looks like he may have to pull the head as he says the guide bolt is broken off in the head.
Have any words of wisdom? I think this is really gonna cost me Big-Time!

If you are close by could you bring one of those to show the guy who's
fixing my car? I printed out those pictures and will show him to make sure this is the problem he's telling me about.

Please e-mail me with a number and time to reach you.. thanks
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:21 PM   #6
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

I'd be happy to. My email's not working this morning for some reason.
You can call me on my cell 612-810-3461 look forward to hearing from you.

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Old 03-27-2012, 09:52 PM   #7
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Hey Mike...You are the man! You saved me at least $600. I'm impressed and so is the mechanic. The part is better than any repair he could have made.
After you showed him how it works, it took less than a minute from start to finish to install your part.
After you left he said he wants a couple more when you get more made up to have on hand. He thinks they should include it in the timing chain kits for these engines. I gave him your # and he mentioned he wants to talk to you.

Thanks Mike I appreciate the help. Gordy B.
Good luck with your project...Its a winner!
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:20 PM   #8
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Thank you very much for the compliments Gordy. It was a pleasure to meet you
and the fellow working on your car.
I'm glad i was able to help out.. my email is working again I think so tell him he can email me at mbrandt1952@yahoo.com or call me 612-810-3461 anytime.

Let me know how the car is running from time to time please.

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Old 03-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #9
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Just a note for all the readers here that Mike came up with real winner
of a repair part for this engine. I just got my car back yesterday from the
repair shop and am really happy that Mike came over to show us his part.
The car runs great! I wish the engine looked as cool as his part does.

Hey Mike....you are the man! Gordy B.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:10 PM   #10
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

Bought a Vue and an Ion from a local car dealer for a song. They just took them apart put the parts inside and pushed them into the back of the lot.
Both had blown timing chains and bent valves. After rebuilding the heads I started putting them back together. I found both of the upper front guide bolt
holes are chewed out totally.
I've done a Cobalt, Malibu, and an L200 with the 2.2 but this is the first time I've come into this problem. It seems I'm not the only one!
If your part will fix this and by looking at your pictures it just might be the ticket. I would like to talk to you about getting a couple of these if you have
any more.
I tried calling your # but said network trouble. Hope you read this. I'll try to email you too. thanks....Zack
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:43 PM   #11
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

Hi Zack...

Sorry I missed your call. My phone issues seem to have cleared up.
Try calling me again. I'll check my e-mail to see if you tried there.
They will work on both.
I have 2 of them left and have more being made by the machine shop.

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Old 04-04-2012, 03:42 PM   #12
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Wow. My girlfriend has a L200 with 170K on it. I hope we can get rid of it. Doing a timing chain repair (or this) is way down on the list of things I want to do EVER.
Thanks though.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:06 PM   #13
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

Hey Mike, dont get rid of that L200.. If its running good and has the original
timing chain, guides and tensioner, its time to put a chain kit asap. before the inevitable happens.
Besides having a timing chain the size of a bicycle chain, poor tensioner design,
under-sized chain guide shoulder bolts ( they tend to break off inside the head,
and one big reason the chain stretches is the fact that the power steering pump
is driven off the intake cam and strains on the chain especially city driving.
I have done many of these and have found that there is a lot less chain stretch
on engines that have all highway miles or electrically controlled power steering.

Hope this information helps
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/\ Yes the L runs good. No weird noises in the timing chain area. Change the oil at 5,000 miles intervals. I guess I'll have to suck it up and do the chain thing though
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

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This is for all of you who have encountered a broken front timing chain guide bolt when installing a new timing chain kit in a 2.2 ecotec engine. This works for all GM 2.2 ecotec dohc engines that I have encountered so far. Such as Pontiac, Chevrolet and others. Also any Saturn using the 2.2 ecotec not just limited to the L series cars.
After fixing many of these, I figured there had to be a better way to deal with this issue.
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that I had made up and it works great and is easy to install too.
It uses the original threaded access plug hole to make a strong and accurate support for the chain guide. (I think this is so much better than the weak and trouble-prone original design) Hopefully I will be able to attach the pictures.
If the pictures dont show please feel free to contact me and I will send them to you.
This is a great forum with tons of excellent information.
Mike, Got the new part yesterday evening around 6 and had my Vue up and running before dark. The part you designed worked great, I would highly reccommend anyone having this issue to contact you about using this part for the fix. Again thanks for all you help and great commincations about getting this fixed.
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Ok guys, I am sorry about bringing up this post that's three years old, but does anyone have any info on this part?

I have a friend that has this exact problem, and this part would solve the problem. His vue has been in my garage for two or three months now because the only way we can find to fix his car is to helicoil the block or locktite the crap out of it. Obviously, neither of those are great options.

I have messaged the op, called, and emailed the information he put on this thread, and upon googling him, I think I might have found his obituary which would explain why there was no response to any of those.

Any information would be greatly appreciated by both me and my friend.
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Default Re: Broken Front Chain Guide Bolt on a 2.2 Ecotec?

Hello,

Same here, Vue Ecotec 2.2 2003 couldn't start, because of timing chain.

Towed, garage indicates 'guides' chewed over, beyond repair..

But.. Vues don't go to the compressor just like that!

I haven't seen the damages yet, will go to the garage and take pictures.
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Hello,

Same here, Vue Ecotec 2.2 2003 couldn't start, because of timing chain.

Towed, garage indicates 'guides' chewed over, beyond repair..

But.. Vues don't go to the compressor just like that!

I haven't seen the damages yet, will go to the garage and take pictures.
I had the same problem as well. But was not successful if in finding that bolt anywhere. I took all the measurements I needed and when to see a close friend of mine that has a cnc Machine. So we made one up. It works absolutely amazingly! I have been beating this motor for days now and no noise... i Can't believe it!
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Have the same problem on a 2007 Vue Green Line. Read on another forum that Mr. Brandt had passed on. Found this bolt and also the bolt and guide kit, similar to Mr. Brandt's, on eBay. The new upper bolt replaces the plug, eliminating the need to repair the stripped out hole on the block. Looks like I will be ordering one of these.

Ecotec Upper Timing Chain Guide Repair Bolt 2003 -2014
Ecotec Timing Chain Guide Repair kit 2003 -2014 2.2 2.4 2.0
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BTW, I am in no way affiliated with anyone selling these parts. Just trying to find a way to fix it.
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I'll look and see if I can find it on Ebay....Having the Vue towed right now. see if I can find these and get them sent so when needed I'll have them.
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