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Old 05-26-2021, 10:50 AM   #1
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One sway bar bushing on my Saturm SL1 is loose and needs to be replaced. Is there a way to hold the bracket nuts (#20 on the drawing) ??

Those nuts are hidden from view. If I start turning the bracket bolts I may not be able to tighten those nuts back. Anyone successfully replaced those bushings ?

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https://www.wholesalegmpartsonline.c...rimLevel=25774
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Old 05-26-2021, 11:15 AM   #2
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I am pretty sure those nuts are welded to the structure. I've had the brackets off before.
Here we are removing the bracket:


Old and new subframes. If you look closely you can see the threads.
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Old 05-26-2021, 11:45 AM   #3
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Thanks a lot for info and pics.

Looks like the drawing I have is incorrect. I also found this video:

https://youtu.be/MPr3QnbqMpY?t=385

It is clear that those nuts are welded to the sub-frame.
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Old 05-26-2021, 01:29 PM   #4
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Spray lots of PB blaster at those nuts any way you can. OldNuc used to warn that they'd break loose if rusted too much. That would be a bad day.
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IMO don't mess with the sway bar unless 100% required AND you have access to metal fab tools (cutting & welding). You might get lucky and not need them, but more likely you will need them.

I know you can fit a wrench onto the rear cradle mount bolts....I'm kinda thinking one of the nuts in the front of the cradle could be accessed through a slot in the top of the cradle, but I'd check it out first before planning on that idea working out.
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How much salt does that part of the subframe see? My subframe was pretty bad but those bolts were no big deal. I assume from the prior two replies that others have had issues.
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I live in the Pacific NW, so no salt, and R&R the bushings wasn't too bad with a cheater bar and 1/2" drive 6-point sockets. IIRC, they had red loctite on the threads.

I replaced mine with Summit/urethane ones since the rubber had deteriorated.

Since the original poster is from Chicago-land, I'd expect more rust, so I wouldn't go full gorilla on the bolts, maybe hit them with a MAPP torch to help with loctite?

One other tip, try fully replacing one side before doing the other, that way the bar stays pretty well aligned.
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I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and both my car and a friend's have seen plenty of salt. However, with soaking the nuts the night before, and then again before bolt removal, I've had no issues. Never force anything. Turn as slowly and gently as possible, and oil as necessary. I've also had my bolts off multiple times. Back when I had no money, instead of buying new bushings, I placed sheets of rubber between the old bushings and the bar, and coated everything with silicone grease. Now that I have extra cash, I installed brand new genuine rubber bushings on both my car and my friend's. I won't use neoprene. Makes for a harsh ride.
....So, if you prepare and are careful, you may get everything apart just fine. Do not go crazy with force. Use only enough necessary to get things turning. If the bolts start to bind, back off, lubricate, turn a little further. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
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which bushing are you trying to replace?

The most common is the bushing between the sway bar and lower control arm.

If that is the case then you don't need to remove the other brackets however you will need to pull the bolt out of the lower control arm.

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