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Old 11-18-2021, 11:34 PM   #1
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Default Engine Smoking...Synthetic or Natural Oil???

Hey there,

So my SW2 is burning oil...so the question for the experienced on this forum is ...what type of oil will not get me arrested???

In other words...would natural dyno oil or synthetic oil will burn more/less visible smoke ???

I have tried Marvels Mystery Oil...Sea Foam...Diesel oil poured into the top of the cylinders overnight...and no success in getting my SW2 to not visibly burn oil...

My hope with the diesel/ Marvels/ Sea Foam was to loosen up the oil control rings so as to get the engine to no longer burn oil in a blue smoke manner so as to have a visible smoke cloud following this car and therefore get me arrested...and no success.

The engine runs great...super smooth and it still gets 34 MPG so I am very happy with the running of the engine...however there is still an intermittent cloud of blue smoke that follows this car around...so...the question is...Is there an oil type that will allow the oil burning of this engine to allow it to continue running and not be scene by the authorities and therefore not get me arrested???

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Old 11-19-2021, 10:44 AM   #2
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While we wait for an expert...
Once you start trailing a constant blue fog, the best oil is the one that smells the best. Does Klotz make a 4-cycle oil? https://imgur.com/a/lxBWNU6

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Old 11-19-2021, 10:46 AM   #3
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Default Re: Engine Smoking...Synthetic or Natural Oil???

Where do you live that they arrest people for that?

I don't think oil type will make a difference. How much per mile are you burning?
Although oil control rings get the most blame for oil burning, you may also be burning oil in other places (like valve stem seals, PCV) and reducing every little bit will help.

Have you tried the fixed-orifice PCV valve? Might help and is relatively cheap. Maybe throw in an oil catch-can in there as well, with some kind of filtering to keep oil mist from being returned into intake.

Depending on where you live, Rotella T6 instead of your usual engine oil might work for you (0w40 synthetic diesel engine oil)
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poured into the top of the cylinders overnight...and no success in getting my SW2 to not visibly burn oil...
Dunno if this will help, but:
  • before next oil change, warm up engine completely and try steam cleaning pistons (introduce a small continuous amount of water into air intake in the running engine - somewhere behind air filter - search the forum for procedure/ more info so you don't hydro lock)
  • Let engine cool enough to safely remove plugs, pour 2 oz of your fave stuff (Marvel, Seafoam, kreen) into each cylinder and hand-crank (large socket on breaker bar on crankshaft pulley nut) through at least one complete cycle.
  • Check every hour or two, and hand crank through at least one more complete cycle each time you check - add more of your fave stuff if needed before letting sit overnight.
  • Next day, get up early and repeat the hand-crank / add stuff as long as possible before changing engine oil and filter.
  • expel remaining stuff and change oil/filter

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there is still an intermittent cloud of blue smoke that follows this car around
Is there any particular situation or thing that you do while driving that causes the cloud, or is it completely random?
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Old 11-21-2021, 08:37 PM   #4
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Default Re: Engine Smoking...Synthetic or Natural Oil???

I used to use Rotella full synthetic diesel 20W40 in my '94 SL2. It almost didn't burn any oil at all, and it never visibly smoked. I don't remember if it was T5 or T6. But it was full synthetic diesel oil.

Trouble is, now I can't find it anywhere. Used to get it at Walmart, but haven't seen it on the shelves there in a very long time.

I've been using non-diesel synthetic 10W30 Penzoil and Valvoline, and the car is using oil. Haven't seen any visible smoke, but I haven't been behind the car while it was going down the road.

If I find the Rotella again, I'll be buying a quantity of it.

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Switch to full synthetic 5 quart jugs of Walmart brand Super Tech 5w-30 and stick with it and change it out at regular 3k mile intervals. The stuff is so inexpensive ($17.81+/-) that it compares in price to ordinary oil and performs so much better. If you see no improvement then you can assume the engine is too far gone if you notice improvement then you are good to go.

I personally check my oil at every gas fill up and do my best to keep the oil level slightly above the full mark by an extra 1/16".
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:04 AM   #6
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Use Shell Rotella T5 in 10W-30, or T6 in 5W-40,
along with the long filter, Fram 3600 / Purolator 20195 / Wix 51516…
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Default Re: Engine Smoking...Synthetic or Natural Oil???

Soooo
Visible 'burning oil' / visible 'smoking' exhaust is/likely symptomatic
of a wornout/contaminated/dead catcon.

What is oil consumption rate (as, quart(s) per thousand-mile-interval).

@: 1999SaturnSW1 --

> WHERE is car driven?

> What is mileage on odometer?

> Is car specified as "Federal emissions", or "California emissions"
LEV or ELEV

> Does the engine compartment feature an electric air pump
on psgr side rail, and does the exhaust manifold include a small
'precat' (about size of coffee can) on its output, before the 'downpipe'
attachment?

> How is car normally driven: Freeway speeds, extended intervals;
or 30 mph cruise around town shopping?

................
On one occasion my Saturn appeared to emit quite a bit of visible
steam from the exhaust after idling for maybe 25 minutes.

After reaching highway speed (and generating enough Heat to
energize the catcon), the steam stream stopped.
....................

'Full Synthetic' rated crankcase oil tends to be consumed at lower rates
than conventional or semi-synthetic oils.

Rotella has been known for limited oil consumption for decades.

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Where do you live that they arrest people for that?
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