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Old 05-09-2021, 04:03 PM   #361
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Wrench Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

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Old 05-09-2021, 04:04 PM   #362
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Question Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

Do you think I would be accurate in assuming that if I wasn't able to secure the extension bar to the chassis while attempting to break the bolt with a breaker bar while holding my foot on it.

Worst case scenario; I can't hold it and it slips and the crankshaft pulley turns 40 degrees (seems very unlikely; just don't know). Then wouldn't I miss all the valves?

Wouldn't TDC --> 60 degrees BTDC (be 100% clearance) ?

So with the current location (not too far past TDC) moving CCW (counter-clockwise); then if it moved anymore CCW then I would be safer than if I had rigged this configuration *at* 60 degrees BTDC?
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Every piston is connected to the crankshaft via connecting rod between piston and crankshaft journal, polished round parts of crankshafts. Since the pistons are at various positions the valves are also in various positions with none ever meeting. This is the basis of mechanical timing. Once cam locks are removed, the valve springs are in various positions of compression that can suddenly release their tension to rotate a camshaft out of timed position. Rotating the crankshaft must be kept to a minimum to prevent a piston from bumping into a valve, possibly triggering the camshaft to rotate. Even sudden hammering like dropping a tool onto the engine block or frame may be just enough to upset a camshaft under tension to rotate. Rotating the crankshaft must be kept to a minimum to prevent inadvertently bumping a piston into a valve indirectly connected to a camshaft via four valve springs (per piston). From your snapshot, the solid bar strapped down to the chassis frame appears to restrain the crank lock from rotating. A few degrees of movement is ok.

The only way to see if the strap, bar and crank lock tool are restraining the crankshaft from rotating more than a few degrees is to slowly add torque to the prybar when loosening the torx bolt. Perhaps it would be better to move the strap to the other side of the chassis frame, shortening the distance between strap and lock tool as shown below.
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Old 05-09-2021, 08:58 PM   #366
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fdryer,

10-4! I will re-do my straps and secure it more toward the removal tool. Thank you for this suggestion to better my chances of success.

Starting slow on the torque with a breaker bar (I am guessing that is what you meant by the prybar).

Should be interesting. This has me on edge! I must say!

Long time coming

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Every piston is connected to the crankshaft via connecting rod between piston and crankshaft journal, polished round parts of crankshafts. Since the pistons are at various positions the valves are also in various positions with none ever meeting. This is the basis of mechanical timing. Once cam locks are removed, the valve springs are in various positions of compression that can suddenly release their tension to rotate a camshaft out of timed position. Rotating the crankshaft must be kept to a minimum to prevent a piston from bumping into a valve, possibly triggering the camshaft to rotate. Even sudden hammering like dropping a tool onto the engine block or frame may be just enough to upset a camshaft under tension to rotate. Rotating the crankshaft must be kept to a minimum to prevent inadvertently bumping a piston into a valve indirectly connected to a camshaft via four valve springs (per piston). From your snapshot, the solid bar strapped down to the chassis frame appears to restrain the crank lock from rotating. A few degrees of movement is ok.

The only way to see if the strap, bar and crank lock tool are restraining the crankshaft from rotating more than a few degrees is to slowly add torque to the prybar when loosening the torx bolt. Perhaps it would be better to move the strap to the other side of the chassis frame, shortening the distance between strap and lock tool as shown below.
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Old 05-14-2021, 02:30 PM   #367
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Crankshaft Bolt Removal Attempt (Preparations #3 + Full Attempt #1)!

Thank you everyone!

What I used:
  • 15/16" Wrench
  • T45 Torx Socket (Drained Oil; I don't think it was necessary now); Could be wrong.
  • E20 Torx Socket
  • Breaker Bar
  • Ratchet
  • Extension Bar 6"
  • Hook / Tie Downs (Orange); to wrap an extension bar around the black chassis
  • Kent Moore Crank Hub Holding Tool 3.0L Catera J-42065
  • 19mm Socket (Tire Removal)
  • Hydraulic Floor Jack (3 Ton) - Choose carefully for safety
  • Strong Heavy Duty and Safe Jack Stands (I have purchased 5 heavy duty older ones from used sellers locally over the last couple of years and would NOT trust anything but strong and old; no amazon, harbor freight, or even home depot... I have no idea where to purchase new strong jack stands. I am pleased with my 5.
  • 1 x NEW Front Main Crankshaft Seal (Found on Amazon - National Brand)
  • Camshaft and Crankshaft Seal Kit (Found on Amazon)

Procedure summarized:

I could barely move and decided the only way to not hurt is to hurt more and went for it again.

This time; I was able to get my boot and foot secured *somewhat* against the extension bar on the Kent Moore tool to try and hold the extension bar down (the orange ropes didn't really do anything).

I was able to get my arm to bulge out and muscles on my neck so I know I was pulling hard on the breaker bar + E20 socket.

I would have kept going; however I felt I couldn't trust myself to secure my boot/foot in the angle I was in; especially if it were to break and the extension bar go all the way down; I would be 100% screwed.

I decided to disengage and re-strategize. I have sized up the area where the extension bar is (where I placed my foot) and am going to custom order online a piece of wood (I don't know where to purchase it yet; first time buying wood online; not sure if Amazon can fufill?).

There is an aluminum tube / hose that runs very close to the area where my foot was and where I was holding the pry bar [*doing everything to avoid hitting it and damaging it*] (oh yes; very critical; in conjunction with my foot/boot; I dropped the dominator pry bar under the extension bar to hold (pulling toward me with my right hand); while I was in a monkey position with my right foot/boot doing everything to hold the extension bar from moving and not having muscles give out.

I want to get a nice snug piece of wood to wedge in there to support this procedure.

I have calculated the following specs based on very amatuer tape measuring skills:

4 inches (Length)
6 inches (Width) [Deep]
3 inches (Height)

I believe once I acquire such a wedge to snuggly fit (as long as I didn't mess up on the measuring). I should be able to go at this again and hopefully succeed in breaking the crankshaft bolt safer.

P.S. - I also sprayed more P.B. Blaster on it for the next go!

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Old 05-14-2021, 02:31 PM   #368
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Question Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

Does anyone think this would work as a strong wedge?

3x3x6 inches - American Walnut Wood Blank


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If you're throwing away money on something that may or may not work as a wedge in your situation, it may help. Shopping at Home Depot, Lowes, any lumber yard or finding scraps of wood can do the same for less cost. And you can saw wood to build up for a custom fit.

Have you thought of an extension to the crank lock tool? Long enough to lock onto the ground as you use your extension breaker bar to break loose the torx bolt? There are several ways to hold the crankshaft against rotation.

Have you tried relocating that crankshaft locking tool in another position with an extension?
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Question Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

fdryer,

I am not throwing money away. That's not my intention at least. You're right on it may or may not work (depending on it's fit); which is why I was going to get a hand sand paper scrubber to shave off any extras that could cause it not to fit right with my amateur dimension sizing.

Regarding the extension bar; I was thinking on this earlier and found my longest one which is 10" rather than the 6" currently connected to the Kent Moore Tool.

I'm far too disabled and do not have wood working equipment to be running around doing what most Men can do in their Garage's with credit lines which is beyond their means of living (in most cases).

How does one "lock it to the ground" ; the extension bar? Do I need to purchase a longer than 10" extension bar to make it come out under the plastic bumper liner (say I find one long enough to do this; what do I do next? It would still be several feet in the air).

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If you're throwing away money on something that may or may not work as a wedge in your situation, it may help. Shopping at Home Depot, Lowes, any lumber yard or finding scraps of wood can do the same for less cost. And you can saw wood to build up for a custom fit.

Have you thought of an extension to the crank lock tool? Long enough to lock onto the ground as you use your extension breaker bar to break loose the torx bolt? There are several ways to hold the crankshaft against rotation.

Have you tried relocating that crankshaft locking tool in another position with an extension?
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Here's another way. The crank lock tool can be set so it points toward ground at an angle that won't allow the extension to slip onto the lock. An appropriate extension fitted over the lock handle and placed on the ground can prevent the crankshaft from rotating as you're breaking loose the torx bolt. As drawn roughly, the lock tool is placed on the left side but can be placed on the right side of the crank gear, whichever allows the lock to fit and allow an extension to ground. The extension and lock tool can be drilled for two nuts and bolts to fasten them together.
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fdryer,

I appreciate the diagram you made; however I firmly believe that my attempt at creating an extension to the Kent Moore Tool would be foolish as I would no longer be relying on the security of the 3 bolts on the crankshaft locking tool to the crankshaft sprocket and instead relying on my hardware metal/wood shop DIY that would cost and be too risky for me.

Thank you for the advice/suggestion/time!



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Here's another way. The crank lock tool can be set so it points toward ground at an angle that won't allow the extension to slip onto the lock. An appropriate extension fitted over the lock handle and placed on the ground can prevent the crankshaft from rotating as you're breaking loose the torx bolt. As drawn roughly, the lock tool is placed on the left side but can be placed on the right side of the crank gear, whichever allows the lock to fit and allow an extension to ground. The extension and lock tool can be drilled for two nuts and bolts to fasten them together.
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I'm not sure of your last reply. Your Kent lock tool is bolted to the crankshaft hub to be used with or without something to restrain the crankshaft from turning as the torx bolt is loosened. Adding the extension perpendicular to the tool thru its 3/8" or 1/2" square hole to brace extension and locking tool from turning is no more different from using an extension on the end of the locking tool - preventing the bolted locking tool from allowing the crankshaft from turning when breaking loose the torx bolt. Mechanical leverages are being discussed here with several methods to restrain the Kent tool bolted to the crank hub from turning. Whether using two or three bolts to fasten the lock tool onto the hub won't weaken the bolts from shearing.
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Crankshaft Bolt Removal Attempt (Full Attempt #2 w/ Wood Wedge & Fail)!

Thank you everyone!

What I used:
  • 15/16" Wrench
  • T45 Torx Socket (Drained Oil; I don't think it was necessary now); Could be wrong.
  • E20 Torx Socket
  • Breaker Bar
  • Ratchet
  • Extension Bar 6"
  • Hook / Tie Downs (Orange); to wrap an extension bar around the black chassis
  • Kent Moore Crank Hub Holding Tool 3.0L Catera J-42065
  • 19mm Socket (Tire Removal)
  • Hydraulic Floor Jack (3 Ton) - Choose carefully for safety
  • Strong Heavy Duty and Safe Jack Stands (I have purchased 5 heavy duty older ones from used sellers locally over the last couple of years and would NOT trust anything but strong and old; no amazon, harbor freight, or even home depot... I have no idea where to purchase new strong jack stands. I am pleased with my 5.
  • 1 x NEW Front Main Crankshaft Seal (Found on Amazon - National Brand)
  • Camshaft and Crankshaft Seal Kit (Found on Amazon)
  • 7" piece of Wood Wedge (Cut w/ Hand Saw)
  • Hand Saw
  • 2 Other Pieces of Wood to use as Parallel Beams to support raised Board Sawing for other Amatuers

Procedure summarized:

This is a gallery of me attempting to perform the crankshaft bolt removal again with a piece of wood wedge I cut using a hand saw of some boards I found that I forgot I had access to.

I was able to fit it; however, it wasn't secure enough to convince me "the juice is worth the squeeze" as some say. I will tap out on this one and leave it for the professionals!

I cleaned up the oil deposits around it the best I could with minimum effort.


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Wash. Const. Art. I, §2 (SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §3 (PERSONAL RIGHTS) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §4 (RIGHT OF PETITION AND ASSEMBLAGE) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §5 (FREEDOM OF SPEECH) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §7 (INVASION OF PRIVATE AFFAIRS OR HOME PROHIBITED) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §11 (RELIGIOUS FREEDOM) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §14 (EXCESSIVE BAIL, FINES AND PUNISHMENTS) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §17 (IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §18 (MILITARY POWER, LIMITATION OF) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §19 (FREEDOM OF ELECTIONS) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §27 (TREASON, DEFINED, ETC.) (November 11, 1889)
Wash. Const. Art. I, §29 (CONSTITUTION MANDATORY) (November 11, 1889)
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