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Old 12-26-2011, 03:16 PM   #1
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My 2002 Saturn SL already has 72000 miles. I guess it is a good time to change transmission fluid. I have couple of questions and hope you can help:

1. There are clutch fluid and transmission fluid on the car. Are they the same? Should I change both of them at the same time?

2. I know Mobil-1 Synthetic ATF is very good for manual transmission. Is this link the same one? It is called "Mobil1 Dexron/Mercon Automatic Transmission Fluid".

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web...T%7CGRP2071___

3. Do the following two pictures show the fill hole and drain hole positions? I am not sure which nut is for drain hole.

Fill Hole:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...0/P1010522.JPG

Drain Hole:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...0/P1010516.JPG

4. Under the car, I found some black, oily grease on some area of transmission house, as shown in the following picture. I have cleaned the grease using wipe. It is actually in the red circle region. What does this tell me?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0/P1010517.JPG

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Old 12-26-2011, 03:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: About transmission fluid for manual transmission

The clutch hydraulics use brake fluid. The manual transmission uses ATF. They do not interchange.
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Old 12-26-2011, 03:54 PM   #3
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100% Mobil 1 Atf might be trouble for 1st gear syncro.

Oldnuc recommends aes-295 fluid like torque-drive or transynd.

you might search as the thread was only a few weeks ago
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Photos are correct for the locations of the fill and drain. The fill is also the dipstick. And that's a typical depiction of a once-red dipstick handle turned black by years of crud-ification.

Oil on the tranny case is most likely from the valve cover gasket, having leaked all the way down and around.
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Old 12-26-2011, 05:52 PM   #5
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The clutch hydraulics are sealed, not designed to be bled. Just top off the reservoir with DOT 3 fluid if it is low or black looking.

Mobil-1 ATF will work but the Torque-Drive or Transynd will work even better.

Use a Dorman 12mm rubber drain plug gasket on the trans drain plug and you will get rid of a leak. And do not over tighten the drain as the case will crack.


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My 2002 Saturn SL already has 72000 miles. I guess it is a good time to change transmission fluid. I have couple of questions and hope you can help:

1. There are clutch fluid and transmission fluid on the car. Are they the same? Should I change both of them at the same time?

2. I know Mobil-1 Synthetic ATF is very good for manual transmission. Is this link the same one? It is called "Mobil1 Dexron/Mercon Automatic Transmission Fluid".

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web...T%7CGRP2071___

3. Do the following two pictures show the fill hole and drain hole positions? I am not sure which nut is for drain hole.

Fill Hole:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...0/P1010522.JPG

Drain Hole:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7...0/P1010516.JPG

4. Under the car, I found some black, oily grease on some area of transmission house, as shown in the following picture. I have cleaned the grease using wipe. It is actually in the red circle region. What does this tell me?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0/P1010517.JPG

Thank you all for the help! Happy Holiday!
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:28 PM   #6
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Where can I buy Torque-Drive or Transynd? It seems like they are not available in chain stores.

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The clutch hydraulics are sealed, not designed to be bled. Just top off the reservoir with DOT 3 fluid if it is low or black looking.

Mobil-1 ATF will work but the Torque-Drive or Transynd will work even better.

Use a Dorman 12mm rubber drain plug gasket on the trans drain plug and you will get rid of a leak. And do not over tighten the drain as the case will crack.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:27 PM   #7
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Transynd is located at large truck stops or repair shops for trucks. It is about $40.00/gallon and you will end up using most of a gallon. Torque-Drive is about the same price and the local Amsoil dealer has it. http://www.amsoil.com/locator/index.aspx
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:31 PM   #8
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I had a whining 5-sp and it was much happier with Pennzoil synchromesh fluid. The whine disappeared and it shifted much more smoothly. Available at your local chain store for about $8/qt.

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Old 12-27-2011, 12:38 AM   #9
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Synchromesh is not recommended for upstate NY climate as it will be excessively viscous in winter. It is fine in summer.
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:33 AM   #10
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Where can I buy Torque-Drive or Transynd? It seems like they are not available in chain stores.
Locators for Transynd and Delvac http://www.allisontransmission.com/s...sp?ThisPage=10

All TES 295 approved fluids http://www.allisontransmission.com/s...sp?ThisPage=3&

TorqueDrive is Amsoils copy of the Transynd and not on the list.
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I don't think it has to be Allison approved for a Saturn transmission.
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I don't think it has to be Allison approved for a Saturn transmission.
He asked where to buy the fluid. I provided the link. The link to the snake oil dealers claiming they can't get certified had already been provided.

Being the desired fluid was one the same as the TES 295 spec, it made sense to provide the other alternatives as a link as well. I know you prefer to support only the brand never certified and marketed with the use of smoke and mirrors, but I fail to see why you object to leading people to information of those companies that actually went through the certification process.
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My 2002 Saturn SL already has 72000 miles. I guess it is a good time to change transmission fluid.
Well, I don't know if winter in NY is a good time to change the fluid but the owner's manual says 100k for the manual transmission fluid change, so you still have 28k miles to go. Won't hurt to change it early, seems like you have done your homework
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He asked where to buy the fluid. I provided the link. The link to the snake oil dealers claiming they can't get certified had already been provided.

Being the desired fluid was one the same as the TES 295 spec, it made sense to provide the other alternatives as a link as well. I know you prefer to support only the brand never certified and marketed with the use of smoke and mirrors, but I fail to see why you object to leading people to information of those companies that actually went through the certification process.
Your H8 of anything Amsoil has warped your thinking.

I answered where to buy either product and the Casterol product is on the shelf in almost every large truck stop in the country.
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Well, I don't know if winter in NY is a good time to change the fluid but the owner's manual says 100k for the manual transmission fluid change, so you still have 28k miles to go. Won't hurt to change it early, seems like you have done your homework
That 100K recommendation comes and goes depending on which manual you read but if you are using one of the Torque-Drive or Transynd fluids they will outlast the car.
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Your H8 of anything Amsoil has warped your thinking.

I answered where to buy either product and the Casterol product is on the shelf in almost every large truck stop in the country.
And I provided a link that actually locates those large truck dealers, and some of the dealers for another alternative. In my case I can get the Delvac even closer than the Transynd.

As for Amsoil I think they actually make some really solid products. But I've seen far too much deception in their advertising, and in many cases blatant lies. Being that only Amsoil claims it is a near exact copy of the Transynd the statement is IMO in doubt since they also claim nobody other than Castrol is allowed to certify as TES 295 approved.
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Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion.

I will try to find Torque-Drive or Transynd around me. If I have a bad luck, will Mobil-1 synthetic ATF work well in cold winter of upper state NY? I went through some old discussion. Some were happy, but others felt the shift was harder with Mobil-1.

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The Mobil-1 may be an improvement but the Torque-Drive is regarded as an improvement over the Mobil-1. There should be either a big truck stop or a local Amsoil dealer in your area. Either is fine for deep winter.
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The fluid you need is Dexron III

Not Dexron VI, too thin

Go to GM dealer, get three quarts of
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Thanks everyone for the helpful discussion.

I will try to find Torque-Drive or Transynd around me. If I have a bad luck, will Mobil-1 synthetic ATF work well in cold winter of upper state NY? I went through some old discussion. Some were happy, but others felt the shift was harder with Mobil-1.

Happy New Year to all your guys.
Castrol product data sheet Transynd Data Sheet

Mobil 1 Data Sheet

And just for a low cost comparison.....

Warren non synthetic ATF Warren is also marketed under the Coastal brand name IIRC


It appears the Mobil 1 is thinner at lower temps, but very close at temps above where are transmissions likely generate. Keep in mind all input is specific to climates, state of the transmission, etc. I run a non synthetic close to the Warren and get away with 1st gear downshifts that others say can't be done at that speed. It could be fluids, weather, or simply the state of the transmission and the abuse it has taken.


I'd post the Torque Drive data sheet, but it appears in their side by side comparison to the Transynd Amsoil has altered the numbers posted in the Transynd data sheet and "equalized" some of them. I'm sure it was unintentional error of course.
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