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Old 09-09-2009, 05:56 PM   #41
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Apparently celebrity deaths aren't the only things that come in threes. As of this writing, the latest three Saturn postings in a row on Milwaukee CL:

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/wan/1366354703.html - Dang, all my spare trannies are silver plum....

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/1366311226.html - National Take a Pic of Your Car With Your Own Shadow In It Month continues; this week, it's Wear Baggy Shorts With Skinny Legs and Wait 'Til the Shadows are Real Long Week. (Seriously, how mind-bogglingly difficult is it to take a photograph of something, and look at the foreground and background along with the subject? )

and, at Saturn of MilKwaukee ... http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ctd/1366088549.html - So has this been sitting on the lot for a whole year plus, and did the dealer install the ILLEGAL front door window tint, or did they actually sell it to someone, who installed the ILLEGAL tint and then turned around and traded it in with only 176 miles on it? I wonder if it's a felony, or just misdemeanor fraud, for a dealer to sell a vehicle that's not street legal without divulging it to the buyer.
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and, at Saturn of MilKwaukee ... http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ctd/1366088549.html - So has this been sitting on the lot for a whole year plus, and did the dealer install the ILLEGAL front door window tint, or did they actually sell it to someone, who installed the ILLEGAL tint and then turned around and traded it in with only 176 miles on it? I wonder if it's a felony, or just misdemeanor fraud, for a dealer to sell a vehicle that's not street legal without divulging it to the buyer.
Bought my '97 SC1 from a used dealer with the front windows tinted. Had been in my state a couple years and been inspected...stupid _____ing Vermont doesn't care if the rear windows are solid steel but you put anything resembling tint on the front windows and it's a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ fine. Or you have to pull it off for inspection, unless you know a guy
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http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/1366311226.html - National Take a Pic of Your Car With Your Own Shadow In It Month continues; this week, it's Wear Baggy Shorts With Skinny Legs and Wait 'Til the Shadows are Real Long Week. (Seriously, how mind-bogglingly difficult is it to take a photograph of something, and look at the foreground and background along with the subject? )
At least the guy didn't have the grim reaper sneaking up on him like in the Detroit posting. Perhaps he thought it made him look cool to be that tall.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:40 PM   #44
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Here's one for you.

http://delaware.craigslist.org/cto/1328228146.html

No. Title.

Like, WTF? Did he steal it? What happened to it? Can't you just request another copy from the DMV or something? I thought that was sorta the point of every vehicle on the planet having a VIN.
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Finding cars that are separated from the title are not that uncommon. Nothing shady about it either. It just takes a bit of work to get it all sorted out. Sounds like this person has enough going on that there is no interest in the sorting process.
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At least he didn't suggest altering the title with white-out (see post #26 ^^^^). But all his "ideas" suggest that there is no clear title to be obtained for the car (i.e. it's scrapped).
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It might be left over from a divorce. The former husband got the car and title and the former wife will not sign it. The present owner bought it from the former husband without the knowledge to get both signatures before $$ changed hands. The present owner/holder of the car now needs to contact Guido from Toledo to explain things to the ex wife and does not have the time. This does happen.

In many states you can not even get a scrap or salvage title without a good title in hand.
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That would mean the non-signing ex-spouse could still claim title, at least in part, to the car. So at the very least you're in for a major clusterbleep to get it ironed out. At worst, it's receiving stolen property, if the ex- gets a mind to report it stolen.
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The divorce decree is you protection from the ex but you are right, it is a full scale clusterX. It is not good to buy any car without a properly executed title in your hand. If you can not recognize a properly executed title then it is a very good idea to ask the DMV. Don't bother with the drunk on the next stool.

Many private sellers are actual car dealers in the eyes of the state and are operating illegally so they do not transfer the titles into their names. In most states if you transfer more than a handful of cars a year you are a dealer, pay up please. You get a title signed by the previous owner and if you do not know exactly what to look for you may be burnt.
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Many private sellers are actual car dealers in the eyes of the state and are operating illegally so they do not transfer the titles into their names. In most states if you transfer more than a handful of cars a year you are a dealer, pay up please.
This happened to a buddy of mine back in Detroit 20-odd years ago. They wouldn't even put another car in his name until he registered as a dealer. And he couldn't claim that he was driving them all. Or any of them, for that matter. He never had a driver's license. He's been blind since birth. He just likes buying and fixing up and selling cars.
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15 years old, dont need a title in vermont
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Well, here's how it works in Delaware (where that guy's from, and incidentally so am I.)

Titles must be transferred with a car sale. The title has to be signed by both parties, and then taken to the DMV where the buyer shows their license.

There is a fee for this operation. The car must be insured, regardless of its condition (running, parts car, antique, whatever) before the title will be transferred.

Additionally, the buyer has to pay some percentage of the Blue Book value for the car (I think it's 5, they may have raised it) regardless of the condition of the car. Running, not running, parts car, salvage car, or, saints preserve you, an antique.

The police are very intersted in people who do not do this; it is a massive revenue stream for the state.
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Well, here's how it works in Delaware (where that guy's from, and incidentally so am I.) ... The police are very intersted in people who do not do this; it is a massive revenue stream for the state.
Of course, it's all about the money. Why am I not surprised.
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^^^^ All that applies to the _title_? Or to the _registration_? What do people with disabilities, who can't get a license but need a vehicle for their friends to drive them around in, do? Or what if the vehicle is never going to be used on public lands or public roads? You have to insure it just to OWN it? Wow, my old Detroit friend would be screwed in DE.
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That is just for the title.

If the title is to be transferred, you must pay. The vehicle must be insured. Period. It doesn't matter if you won't drive it, if it doesn't run, if it's never going to run, or if it will never be driven on public roads.

Registration is an entirely different kettle of fish. Mandatory state inspection at one of the state's three (count them) inspection centers. Wait in line for four hours in your car to get through the inspection lane. Then park and wait in line for another four hours on foot to actually get your paperwork, because there are only three centers that do this and everyone else in the universe is trying to do the same thing. Be prepared to pay the 80 dollar registration fee per year - it was recently doubled from 40.
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DE has a DMV and large insurance industry that need your financial support. You do not "need" to be owning a motor vehicle if you do not have a "license" either.

In the case of the blind individual not having a license would cause a major problem. With most insurance companies you can not obtain insurance without having a driver of record on the policy. So, even if the handicapped person could legally own the car no license would prevent insuring the car. It is the driver that is actually the insured individual, not the car. Most insurance policies only discuss replacement vehicles and the period of coverage. Driving another persons uninsured car on a routine basis is an interesting issue. Being handicapped and owning a car so others could provide your transportation could prove to be impossible in some jurisdictions and prohibitively expensive in others.
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http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/1374010638.html

Anybody got 7700 laying around for this 110k mile SC2? Don't forget it's SPORTY!

This thread just writes itself.
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"Hot heat."

I would hope so, as long as the engine and coolant pump were working.
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He's been blind since birth. He just likes buying and fixing up and selling cars.
No disrespect to your friend, but how does he fix up cars if he is blind? or was this simply a typo/misprint?
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No disrespect to your friend, but how does he fix up cars if he is blind? or was this simply a typo/misprint?
He knows where all his tools are. He memorizes where parts are. He's very good with bodywork because he can feel imperfections like no one else I know. Even a clicker torque wrench, he can back it all the way out to zero, and simply count up to the specified by the number of revolutions of the handle. 'Course, I wouldn't be surprised if by now he's found, or had fabbed, a tactile or talking electronic version.
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