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Old 04-09-2010, 05:18 PM   #1
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Default Mystery Saturn White Faced Gauge Cluster in JY

I WILL be picking this set up tomorrow morning when the junkyard opens!! I'm just curious if anyone knows anything about them. They are white-faced, with the Saturn Logo in the tach, the needles are red, and the lettering/numbers are all in blue. It doesn't look like an add-on to me, but, if it is, they did a GREAT job!! This was on a '95 SC2. Now, does anyone know how to swap the odometers between the gauge clusters? I will post pics tomorrow as soon as I get them home. Thanks!!

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Aftermarket. There were no 1995 special edition Saturns.
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Aftermarket for sure. The only Saturns that had White Face Gauge clusters as far as I know were the 99 HCE...and ?the 99 Red Hot/White Hot Sport Coupes?, and the 2001 Bumblebee edition Yellow SC2...
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The only Saturns that had White Face Gauge clusters as far as I know were the 99 HCE...and ?the 99 Red Hot/White Hot Sport Coupes?
Since that cluster was in the '99's, could it be possible that they swapped the cluster into the '95 SC2, since, I think, the clusters are the same from '95 to '99? Does anyone have a set of these, and could you take a pic of the cluster so I can see if it matches up with what I'm getting? For $17 for the whole cluster, I'm not complaining!! Thanks!

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'99 would have a digital odometer, and it actually says "Homecoming" in a hokey I Love Lucy sort of script on one of the gauge faces. And I _think_, since '95 is that oddball year, gen-1 with a gen-2 dash, I think it's sort of a one-off wrt the pinouts for the cluster connector.
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'99 would have a digital odometer, and it actually says "Homecoming" in a hokey I Love Lucy sort of script on one of the gauge faces. And I _think_, since '95 is that oddball year, gen-1 with a gen-2 dash, I think it's sort of a one-off wrt the pinouts for the cluster connector.
Thanks! So, I guess I'm lucky that this cluster is on a '95 already, so, it should be set up for my '95 already. Just in case they did something screwy, should I cut the plugs on the wire harnesses off, and leave some wires, so I can wire them up in my dash? Thanks!! I need to replace one of those stupid theater bulbs, so now would be a good time to swap the clusters out!!

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There are aftermarket replacement gauge faces for the older clusters. It could be a generic aftermarket face lift.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:19 PM   #8
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There are aftermarket replacement gauge faces for the older clusters. It could be a generic aftermarket face lift.
Well, I would have thought it would have been a little more then a generic set, since it had Saturn's logo on the tach, but, you never know! I'll post pics tomorrow after I have the cluster.

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I can not find the site that sells/sold them right now but I think they came with a logo. Check the tach and make sure its the DOHC range.
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There are some people who print their own overlays for the clusters also.

Nice find though
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..... and the 2001 Bumblebee edition Yellow SC2...
Nope. The 2001 Limited Edition had a regular gauge face.

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During the 1998 model year Saturn offered the SC2 with a $225 package that gave us a red or white car with a black roof, black mirrors, black emblems, black pin striping, alloy wheels with black paint in the teardrops, and - you guessed it - white faced instrument panels. I don't remember if the odometers were digital or analog.
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Well, so much for that!! I pulled the cluster to find alot of wires coming out and holes drilled into the housing for these wires. I looked close, and found out that they were aftermarket faces that replaced the originals, not overlays. Each gauge had a wire coming from the face, I guess they were supposed to be fiber optic somehow. There was a two part switch, which I guess controlled these lights, one toggle part that was labeled Red/green, then, a dimmer rheostat. They also did a very poor job of painting the needles red. The one thing that made me walk away was the speedo needle, when I pulled the front part off, the needle dropped almost to dead 6 o'clock position! That told me that gauge was messed up! It looked good when I first saw it, but, after close inspection, it was a hack job.Thanks for all the responses!

I would still like to get some nice white-faced gauges at some point, though.

About those black emblems, mine has them, but, I have yet to see a Saturn of any year or model to have them, just the red ones. What's the deal with those?

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Well, so much for that!! I pulled the cluster to find alot of wires coming out and holes drilled into the housing for these wires. I looked close, and found out that they were aftermarket faces that replaced the originals, not overlays. Each gauge had a wire coming from the face, I guess they were supposed to be fiber optic somehow. There was a two part switch, which I guess controlled these lights, one toggle part that was labeled Red/green, then, a dimmer rheostat. They also did a very poor job of painting the needles red. The one thing that made me walk away was the speedo needle, when I pulled the front part off, the needle dropped almost to dead 6 o'clock position! That told me that gauge was messed up! It looked good when I first saw it, but, after close inspection, it was a hack job.Thanks for all the responses!

I would still like to get some nice white-faced gauges at some point, though.

About those black emblems, mine has them, but, I have yet to see a Saturn of any year or model to have them, just the red ones. What's the deal with those?

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'94 and '99 Homecoming editions had them, along with a select few other special editions, plus you can/could get them at the dealership.
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Derek, I had to laugh at your avatar!! That's what I had to do today with my oil filter!!!

I don't think there are any more Saturn dealerships around in South Florida, where else could I get those, besides the JY? Thanks!

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Low Saturn knows who makes the commercial ones. Probably has the URL.
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'94 and '99 Homecoming editions had them, along with a select few other special editions, plus you can/could get them at the dealership.
Wrong!

I have a 94 HCE and the gauge faceplates are regular faceplates. I bought my HCE from the original owner as well.
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The best quality aftermarket gauge faces you can buy. A bit more pricey than the stuff found on eBay. But way better quality.
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Thanks, Low Saturn!! As for installing these, how much of a PITA is it to pull the needles and put them back correctly? I was trying to swap Jeep gauge overlays, and, at least for the fuel gauge, it was an epic fail! NR Auto said that the kit comes with a removal tool for the needles, how did that work for you? Thanks!!

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The black Saturn emblems were used on
  • 1994 Homecoming SL2s (with white pearl paint and a few other goodies)
  • 1996 SC2 "Classics" (with black paint, red accent stripe, and all the options)
  • 1998 SC2s with red or white paint and black roofs and a few other goodies (including the white faced instrument panel)
  • 1998 SL1s and SW1s with bronze paint and a few other goodies (such as painted bumper covers)
  • 1999 Homecoming SL2s with light green paint and a few other goodies (such as a light tan faced instrument panel)
  • 2001 SC2s with yellow paint
  • 2003 VUEs with yellow paint and all the goodies
Some of the other Saturn models may have had them too. At my local Saturn dealer I remember seeing a 2003 black L300 with all the options and it had the black Saturn emblems - but that might have been done by the dealer and not by Saturn.

I usually put the black Saturn emblems on my Saturn vehicles. In my opinion these look sharp on the following paint colors: black, white, red, yellow, and silver.
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