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Old 05-28-2021, 07:29 PM   #81
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Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I'm doing the same thing here. I Now as I've mentioned before, have a "Stripped" SL2 with No options. I'm installing Cruise on mine and have the steering wheel, got it on, hooked up the plug and have power. I went to pull off the module and broke off the end at the pedal. I guess it'll probably need the entire pedal swapped by the looks of it. Anyway, I was told that to turn on the cruise on the Computer will be $250, and there's No guarantee it'll work. It's a total gamble your taking in this. It's a mobile company that all they do is program computers. I think I'll pass on $250 and call around or ask people I know at shops. I don't think so at that price. OK, here's the deal, Will I need a computer with the Cruise option to be able to turn it on with a Tech II scanner, or will it possibly work with mine ?! I'm not sure how this works with these issues, but some of You do, because You've done the same thing. Thanks for any advice.
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The cruise control option will need to be turned on in the BCM and this can only be done with a tech2 programming tool and someone with the knowledge on how to do it. There are not too many former Saturn Tech's out there anymore but you may find one who landed at a GM dealership. There is a certain connector that is required with the Tech2 also which poses a challenge; not too many GM dealers have need for it. A dealer that was Saturn Authorized would be the best bet but no guaranties. A dealer will charge you 1 hour labour which is the minimum charge. Around here that is about $120 CAD. The actual process takes 15 minutes.

With all that said, I've heard that there are tech2 clones available in and about the $200 price range and that some have been successful in using it to enable cruise control. I haven't seen too much detail on how to do it yet and the required configuration. I believe there is a 30 day subscription from GM required. Take a read through this post and see if it makes sense >> http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=234551

I should also mention you can change out the BCM with one from a cruise enabled SL2/SC2/SW2 donor of the same year. Just make sure that the options match your car but with cruise control (ABS not enabled, no power locks, etc...)
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I called 3 dealerships today and two said they don't have the equipment because it's just too old. One said it should be plug and play, which I didn't believe him, I have everything hooked up and no cruise control. The only issue is that the module I have is from a 5 speed manual and not an auto, which he said is probably why it's not working. Hmmm, I still don't believe him. There's no SL2's or anything with only cruise control at the yards, if that's what you're explaining about the BCM. I thought it needed enabled thru the PCM, not the BCM. Mine is a "Stripped" model with nothing but A/C and the standard options. I didn't even notice when I test drove it or I would have passed on it. I had the chance to buy one with everything on it, but it had twice the mileage so I wasn't confident about that one, and was much cheaper. I'm STILL kicking myself in the Butt for buying that with no options. it's even worse when You go the yard and see them with everything on them ! Geez ! There is a mobile company called Green Light that only programs computer's starting at $150. I don't know if it's worth the risk. All you guys that got there's programmed are really lucky. Well, I'm only out $30 then if it can't be done. There's always "Aftermarket" out there ! Oh well, I tried. Another one of My failed projects.

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The cruise module is the same in all S Series of the same model year; auto/manual; sedan/coupe/wagon. It's probably the same within each generation too but I won't vouch for that without researching first. For all GEN3 the cruise control needs to be programmed in the BCM. GEN3 is the only generation that had both a PCM and a BCM.

When I did it to my 01 SL1 in 2011 I was able to get it done at the Saturn authorized dealer. There were still Saturn technicians and the tools to do it however it was still sketchy based on other S Series owners experiences. I paid the hours labour which at the time was $105 per hour.

You'd likely be okay with a BCM from a 2000-2002 sedan/wagon or 2001-2002 coupe; DOHC; automatic; without ABS and with CC. I bet if you asked a member on this site would source one and ship it to you.

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Hey. My zip is 68505 in NE. We have a U-Pull-It here and two in Omaha with a few 2000's, 01's & 02's with cruise. Saturn did a lot of Screwy things with these models. Cruise with power windows and No power locks, Front PW's and Crank rear, Cruise and No PW's w/locks and so on. Strange. One more question, what about the Brakes ? How does the Cruise kick-off without a switch ? On YouTube there was a comment posted on a video that stated they had all the parts as I have, Plus the F-Switch for the brake pedal. What would that be ? I saw No pedal switch under there, just the module. How does that work ? I can get plenty of BCM's from that year around here at the yards, but will it work, that's the issue. Just to clarify this, so You wouldn't have to Source anything for me. I'll take anything You can help with to accomplish this confusing task. Lol. Thanks for Your help !
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Edit: What's the reason for it can't have anti-lock brakes if you change BCM 's ?
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The reason I point out no ABS is that you will have an ABS warning light on your gauge cluster because the BCM is expecting inputs from the wheel sensors which are not there. I don' think it will affect drive-ability; just an annoyance.

Earlier S Series had pedal switches that provided inputs to the cruise module to switch it off when you hit the clutch pedal or brake pedal. GEN3 has virtual switches in the BCM to do the same thing. The comments you read were likely related to the earlier models.

I'm betting you could use any BCM from any 2002 S Series with DOHC and cruise control and you will have effectively enabled cruise control

There is a 3 way hand-shake between the BCM, PCM and security module. You can replace any single one of those and it will be accepted. Replace more than on and your car will not start. Read up on replacing the BCM so you have some background knowledge.
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Thank You, Sir. I will check the yards tomorrow for the BCM w/out ABS. There's plenty of them out at all three yards when I checked the inventory last night. They also just got another one in that's an '02 at the yard 50 miles from here. We'll see what happens. Another thing, a Tech I talked to about my last Saturn, an L200 about swapping BCM's because of strange electrical problems it was having and when I asked Him if it needs flashed to accept the swap, He said, "No, if it's all the same options." He Does know what He's doing. Hopefully He's correct ! Thank's again for the info. I'll give an update after I get it out and changed.
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Just take a look at the master cylinder to tell if it is ABS or not. It would be a good idea to look up photos to see the difference ahead of time.
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One thing to note is that the BCM also is where the 3rd gen's mileage is stored.

So if you pull a BCM from a Saturn with 350k miles, your odometer will change to show 350k miles, once the new BCM is installed.

No big deal if you don't plan on ever selling it but hard to explain to a buyer, otherwise

edit: what year did the donor cruise module come from? Although the modules for all years are interchangeable, I think there may have been some wiring changes for the 3rd gen at the steering wheel. 3rd gen has a "cancel" function that previous gens did not (1st and 2nd gen were on/off only, no cancel)
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Module: 2002 SC2. I got the BCM today from a 2002 SL2 DOHC W/Auto at the yard. Well, I plugged it in and "No Start" so I'm Hoping just needs the Passlock Relearned. All my accessories work, wipers, lights, flashers, blower and so on. If not the issue, I guess I plug the original back in and get an Aftermarket Cruise like I figured I should have in the first place, or unless the shop can re-flash it. He has the scanner to do it. No charge if it doesn't work. This is where I stand right now.

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One thing to note is that the BCM also is where the 3rd gen's mileage is stored.

So if you pull a BCM from a Saturn with 350k miles, your odometer will change to show 350k miles, once the new BCM is installed.

No big deal if you don't plan on ever selling it but hard to explain to a buyer, otherwise

edit: what year did the donor cruise module come from? Although the modules for all years are interchangeable, I think there may have been some wiring changes for the 3rd gen at the steering wheel. 3rd gen has a "cancel" function that previous gens did not (1st and 2nd gen were on/off only, no cancel)
I couldn't get the BCM to work from the yard. As I replied above that it does the same thing it did when I changed the lock cylinder, it tries to run but quits. I think I did the relearn wrong. I turned the ignition on for 3 ten minute cycles, but directly off again. I noticed in another post that it needs turned back to off for 10 seconds, which I didn't do, then that way 3 times. I plugged my BCM back in temporarily, started right up, until I get more information here if that was the incorrect way I was doing it. It must be detecting a change and disabling the fuel system. Some are stating the Cruise Option is at the Main Computer, not the BCM. I'm getting confused here exactly where to go.

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Edit: From what I've read about BCM's, all the Options and standard controls are thru the BCM. There is a relearn after a swap that appears different than the Lock Cylinder replacement. I'm going to try that before I'm calling this a Failed attempt. At the most, take it to the shop were He said He could try and enable the cruise on the original BCM, if it's possible to do that, or take My Donor one over with it and see if He get it running with His scan tool. A lot of frustration going on with this. With the Donor Module, shows the mileage as 214K+. Original is 93,245. Lol. It does show the mileage from the previous car.

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You are correct that you have to do the 30 minute relearn procedure. It doesn't always work the first try either; usually due to user error. I understand it is documented in the owners manual but here it is from another post made by a Saturn technician ....

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USE A WATCH! DO NOT GUESS THE TIME INTERVALS FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY


This is done using the security light on the dash.

To begin: key into cyl, rotate key to start engine but only give it a quick bump over, release key to run position, security light should be on.

Leave it sit for ten minutes the light should change EG: go out,

Turn the key to off and repeat the proceedure again,
Wait ten minutes, light should go out again,

Turn the key to off ,

Repeat for the third time.

At the end of the third time, key off FIRST, and then try to start car.

Should start, and every time after that (first try)
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I'll give it another try. It's a little hot today, so it may be tomorrow morning. I use my phone timer. I was told when I replaced my lock cylinder last month, my mechanic stated that it has to be within seconds or it'll need to be started over. I actually screwed it up twice that time and I got the same result as today. I finally got it to start after the third try, with the cylinder, not the BCM. Edit: Does the door have to be closed to do this ? One of the instructions on Google states it does. Maybe this only goes for SOME GM models. I don't believe it did when I relearned it after the cylinder swap. Thanks for your help, again !

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A video I saw on YT stated that you never should do any BCM replacement without removing the battery cable. You can damage the BCM or the vehicle components. I just was wondering why if this is true, no one had stated so. Anyone know if this is correct ? I never did, is why. It was also stated that No BCM can be just swapped, it has to be Flashed to work on your vehicle by VIN. Holy Moly, there's so many confusing issues to this. Everybody seems to have a different answer. It's almost just better to just go the easy route and add Aftermarket Cruise and just spend the $265 and have no Flashing needed or further headaches. I can even install that myself.

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OK, I stated I would leave an update after I tried the 3 Relearn procedures from here, YT and a GM site. All have failed. I've repeated them all 3 times and still have the same dilemna. Comments have stated that a Scan Tool is the only way this can be accomplished. They're sure not plug and play, the relearn's have not worked. I guess I'll have to have the Mechanic I know that will do it for little money, try it with His scan tool. Some other GM sites have stated the BCM has to match the Donor's serial number to do a relearn. The Donor is 1 number off from mine, which doesn't make any sense, because if one has more options than the other, how could the number match ?! That seem's impossible if You need a Donor BCM with options yours doesn't have. I hope that makes sense. No offense to Your procedures not working, I don't mean anything by it, they're just not working to get the Passlock to accept it. If I could get it passed that, I'd be in good shape to try the Cruise. I guess finding the correct way is going to be the key to success with my project. I'm sure all of Us here have Frustration when things we're trying to do don't seem to have any answers to make it work correctly, Vehicles or not. I suppose that's Life !

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Got the Donor BCM to accept the Passlock and "Voila !" Guess ?! Correct, Nothing ! Cruise doesn't work. I was expecting that. To the Shop it goes ! Sorry for the Whining, but I figured it's not that Cheap, and Easy.
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It ought to be in the new owners post that if you own a 3rd gen you're required to use a Tech II for just about everything that was literally plug 'n' play '91-'99.
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Changing the BCM for cruise control has worked for others. I've never figured out why it has not for some. In most cased they could not get the BCM to successfully mate. If you have successfully mated the BCM into the trilogy and the donor BCM has CC programmed into it; it should work. The other points of failure are the cruise module, the switch/clock spring and the fuse.

So you turn the CC on at the switch and the switch light goes on but the set function will not work? You were over 30 mph when you tested it?

The other thing to look for is that the SES light and Check Engine bulbs are working. If those bulbs burn out then cruise control is disabled. It should light up for a couple seconds when you turn the ignition on during its self test.
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