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Old 05-29-2021, 05:22 PM   #421
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Wrench Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

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Old 05-29-2021, 05:24 PM   #422
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Question Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

Looking at these pictures; Cam #3 looks slightly off.

Does this strike True to others?

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2d snapshots are not the same nor as accurate as 3d views from eyes lining up timing marks. Parallax errors are introduced when snapshot views aren't directly lined up to each camshaft, cam gear notch, timing belt mark, and cam cover notch. One snapshot for each camshaft.

Do whatever it takes to align timing marks as the timing belt is put on and slack is removed when idler pulleys are tightened. These steps are never written in service manuals, written for trained dealer mechanics presumed experienced in advanced engine repairs. Either diyers are knowledgeable or not.
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Three looks good, four looks like a tooth off in these pictures. Need to look at one and two again. Plus the crank.
I also question the torque to yield cam bolt tightening. First you tighten to the torque, then change to either a breaker bar or long ratchet. Then you tighten 60 degrees then another pull to the final spec. Do not rely on the green and red sprocket locks to hold the cams, use a wrench on the flats on the cam. Torque to yield bolts are pretty tough to get to the final setting but that is what holds them tight. You are stretching the bolts, that is why you have to replace them each time.
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Question Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

02 LW300,

Thank you for your feedback. I agree that the first three look also and cam #4 is off by 1 tooth.

When you say first you tighten to the torque (is this the initial tightening of the bolt after using my fingers to get it to tighten to max with my finger strength using my digital torque ratchet?)

Then switch to manual ratchet with my degree tool and ratchet 60 degrees?

Do you feel I should get new bolts again, re-install each camshaft sprocket?

I really do not want my bolts or camshaft sprockets flying off.

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Three looks good, four looks like a tooth off in these pictures. Need to look at one and two again. Plus the crank.
I also question the torque to yield cam bolt tightening. First you tighten to the torque, then change to either a breaker bar or long ratchet. Then you tighten 60 degrees then another pull to the final spec. Do not rely on the green and red sprocket locks to hold the cams, use a wrench on the flats on the cam. Torque to yield bolts are pretty tough to get to the final setting but that is what holds them tight. You are stretching the bolts, that is why you have to replace them each time.
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What is the torque process listed in the service manual?
The first step is tighten to the torque listed with a torque wrench.
The next step is to turn the bolt a certain degree more to stretch the bolt.
The last step is to turn the bolt the final degree more.
It sounds like you are at the first step on the bolt tightening if I read this correctly.
You do not need new bolts since you hav not stretched them yet.
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Question Re: 2001 Saturn L300 - v6 3.0 Liter - Timing Belt Kit + Camshaft + Crankshaft Seals

02 LW300,

The torque process listed in the Factory Service Manual is:

Camshaft Gear Bolt: 37 ft. lbs + 60 degrees + 15 degrees.

I have torqued the bolts down more than once now re-adjusting the camshafts and lining up the marks correctly.

I have also used the ratchet (not just the torque ratchet) to loosen the bolts and cranked on them beyond the torque ratchet using the normal ratchet.

I also used a clamp on my timing belt (my new dayco) and ALLDATA (an old print out when I was first learning) (Not my FSM; FAR better!). It explicitly says do not crimp the belt.

After discussing this with you I will be purchasing new Bolts and a New Dayco Belt to make sure I get this correct! Much appreciated.

So, going back to Camshaft Gear Bolt Torques and the process to doing the degrees correctly.

Once I correct cam #4 I will wait for my new bolts and belt.

When I start back at Cam #1 and remove the Bolt to replace it correctly.

Step #1) New bolt in & use my fingers to screw it in as much as possible

Step #2) Use my Digital Torque to torque it down to spec @ 37 ft. lbs?

Step #3) Use my Manual Ratchet w/ My Degree Angler tool and crank 60 degrees?

Step #4) Use my Manual Ratchet w/ My Degree Angler tool and crank 15 degrees?

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What is the torque process listed in the service manual?
The first step is tighten to the torque listed with a torque wrench.
The next step is to turn the bolt a certain degree more to stretch the bolt.
The last step is to turn the bolt the final degree more.
It sounds like you are at the first step on the bolt tightening if I read this correctly.
You do not need new bolts since you hav not stretched them yet.
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That is the way I install torque to yield bolts. Be sure to hold the camshaft from turning when torquing the bolts. There should be a place on each camshaft for an open end wrench. I hope everyone agrees that this is the correct method for the bolts. If any other professional mechanics have a different method, please share.
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^ I agree as a diyer. Cast flats are on each camshaft nearest the cam gear.
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02 LW300,

I am glad that I understood you correctly. Thank you; I was doing it incorrectly. fdryer showed me the cast flats earlier and I am *VERY* glad he did. I wouldn't have made it this far and would have wrecked my engine (if I didn't already).

Yes; if there are professional mechanics with a different method, please let us know (I second that motion). I was looking at a forum regarding camshaft locks and some people mentioned GM being a pain.

I don't know if the camshaft locks actually lock onto the cast flats to secure it without having to balance the torque between the wrench on the cast flats and the ratchet or torque ratchet. *Very Difficult*, I found.

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That is the way I install torque to yield bolts. Be sure to hold the camshaft from turning when torquing the bolts. There should be a place on each camshaft for an open end wrench. I hope everyone agrees that this is the correct method for the bolts. If any other professional mechanics have a different method, please share.
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Timing Belt Replacement - (Phase VII.B) [New Timing Belt Installation]-[Cam #4 Time.Done]

Thank you everyone!

What I used:
  • 3 x 15/16" Wrench
  • T50 Torx Socket
  • Breaker Bar
  • Ratchet
  • Extension Bar 6"
  • 19mm Socket (Tire Removal)
  • Hydraulic Floor Jack (3 Ton) - Choose carefully for safety
  • Strong Heavy Duty and Safe Jack Stands (I have purchased 5 heavy duty older ones from used sellers locally over the last couple of years and would NOT trust anything but strong and old; no amazon, harbor freight, or even home depot... I have no idea where to purchase new strong jack stands. I am pleased with my 5.
  • Camshaft Seal Kit (Found on Amazon)
  • Timing Belt Kit

Procedure summarized:

This is a gallery of me installing my new timing belt! I timed Camshaft #4 and it moved very easily with a wrench without spinning on me.

I used my J-42069-20 Camshaft/Timing Belt Measurement Tool (Thanks to lrbraner who reminded me to use it in PM!), glad he did.

I also checked afterwards on Bank1 and Camshaft #1 & Camshaft #2 line up also. Of course when the new belt and bolts arrive; I will be removing these bolts to torque down correctly and not use clamps to ruin/damage my new belt (So it doesn't break on me later; $30 replacement is well worth it).

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Hey everyone!

I am using my Factory Service Manual and under Installation for the Timing Belt; It says to use a felt pen (which I picked up a combo pack of felt tip pens; However they were too small to show any ink on the idler metal). I used a blue sharpie instead.

When I installed these, I set the idler positions *exactly* how I removed them (from old parts).

My idler pulley's metal does not have the FSM germany branding on them.

Can anyone look at where I marked and determine if I marked them correctly with my version of a felt pen?

Thank you. I honestly do not understand this part of the procedure.

I feel *with my limited understanding*, once the belt lines up with the camshafts 1-4, all else should work.

Appreciate it!

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Those markings look correct. Continue.
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