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Old 12-08-2009, 01:22 AM   #1
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I have the 98 SL2 and am wanting fog lights I have searched for a basic undersataning on what I need and looked at petdmc how-to but did not realy get what i need to steal out of one at the yard

cound someone please make this simple for me
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I have the 98 SL2 and am wanting fog lights I have searched for a basic undersataning on what I need and looked at petdmc how-to but did not realy get what i need to steal out of one at the yard

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If you're trying to remove them at the junkyard, first remove the plastic fasteners securing the fender liner to the front fascia. Then grab the fascia and pull until you rip it from the car. Doesnt take too much muscle. Then remove the foglamps. Probably a couple 13mm nuts.
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If you're trying to remove them at the junkyard, first remove the plastic fasteners securing the fender liner to the front fascia. Then grab the fascia and pull until you rip it from the car. Doesnt take too much muscle. Then remove the foglamps. Probably a couple 13mm nuts.
I think he wants to know what else to pilfer. Like fog light switch, relay, etc. I think that's it...fog light switch and relay.
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I have OEM fog lights on my SW2, and they don't do very much at all (except add another 54W of electrical load), at least since I upgraded the OEM low beam bulbs to Toshiba HIR bulbs, which DO provide reasonable illumination.

Has anyone tried the LED replacements for the #880 incandescent bulbs in the OEM fog lights?

The fogs on my Subaru Outback are bigger and do a reasonable job widening the illumination view and filling in dim spots. Good for spotting roadside critters as well.

Just thought I'd let you know before you spend a lot of time on a project with marginal gains.
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:29 PM   #5
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I have OEM fog lights on my SW2, and they don't do very much at all (except add another 54W of electrical load), at least since I upgraded the OEM low beam bulbs to Toshiba HIR bulbs, which DO provide reasonable illumination.

Has anyone tried the LED replacements for the #880 incandescent bulbs in the OEM fog lights?

The fogs on my Subaru Outback are bigger and do a reasonable job widening the illumination view and filling in dim spots. Good for spotting roadside critters as well.

Just thought I'd let you know before you spend a lot of time on a project with marginal gains.
Hey HHolbein; this is a question for you....I have a 97 SW2 as well. I got some OEM Fog Lights to add to my car as well; still haven't gotten around to adding them into the car (Brackets, switch, wiring, etc....) Did you have to do any type of re-enforcement with the Toshiba HIR Fog Lamps, or were they a direct plug-n-play? Where did you get the Toshiba HIR fog lamps? Were these a Special Order type lamp and what was the ballpark price on getting these?
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I have OEM fog lights on my SW2, and they don't do very much at all (except add another 54W of electrical load), at least since I upgraded the OEM low beam bulbs to Toshiba HIR bulbs, which DO provide reasonable illumination.

Has anyone tried the LED replacements for the #880 incandescent bulbs in the OEM fog lights?

The fogs on my Subaru Outback are bigger and do a reasonable job widening the illumination view and filling in dim spots. Good for spotting roadside critters as well.

Just thought I'd let you know before you spend a lot of time on a project with marginal gains.
somebody makes led fog light upgrades??
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yeah I was looking at what all to pillage but if they are not that good and simple new bulbs will fix it what HID bulbs should I use?
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Old 12-09-2009, 03:32 AM   #8
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Here's the type of HIR replacement bulbs I installed that are noticeably brighter than the stock OEM bulbs:

http://www.finemotoring.com/

I only replaced the low beams (9006 bulb?), since the high beams are ok.

In my case, I had to do 5 minutes worth of "pruning" of the Toshiba HIR plastic bulb base to make it fit the stock low beam headlight socket, but it was pretty easy. If you search the SaturnFans website, someone posted step by step instructions and pics, so it's pretty goof-proof.



Regarding the foglamp bulb replacements, The LED replacement for the incandescent 880 bulbs include the following:

http://www.ledlight.com/880-13-smt-5...ving-lamp.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/High-Powered-R.../dp/B001NOO76U


At 9W, they should be very bright, compared to the 20W Stock bulbs
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Old 12-09-2009, 02:04 PM   #9
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Here's the type of HIR replacement bulbs I installed that are noticeably brighter than the stock OEM bulbs:

http://www.finemotoring.com/

I only replaced the low beams (9006 bulb?), since the high beams are ok.

In my case, I had to do 5 minutes worth of "pruning" of the Toshiba HIR plastic bulb base to make it fit the stock low beam headlight socket, but it was pretty easy. If you search the SaturnFans website, someone posted step by step instructions and pics, so it's pretty goof-proof.



Regarding the foglamp bulb replacements, The LED replacement for the incandescent 880 bulbs include the following:

http://www.ledlight.com/880-13-smt-5...ving-lamp.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/High-Powered-R.../dp/B001NOO76U


At 9W, they should be very bright, compared to the 20W Stock bulbs
wow i never seen those fog lamp led bulbs. are they bright? has anyone tried them? my stock bulbs are 35watt. i would like to see a side by side comparison between the stock bulb vs led's...
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If you're trying to remove them at the junkyard, first remove the plastic fasteners securing the fender liner to the front fascia. Then grab the fascia and pull until you rip it from the car. Doesnt take too much muscle. Then remove the foglamps. Probably a couple 13mm nuts.
Oddly, I never thought about grabbing them this way.. I usually just remove the headlight (2 bolts) and go in from the top...
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Here's the type of HIR replacement bulbs I installed that are noticeably brighter than the stock OEM bulbs:

http://www.finemotoring.com/

I only replaced the low beams (9006 bulb?), since the high beams are ok.

In my case, I had to do 5 minutes worth of "pruning" of the Toshiba HIR plastic bulb base to make it fit the stock low beam headlight socket, but it was pretty easy. If you search the SaturnFans website, someone posted step by step instructions and pics, so it's pretty goof-proof.



Regarding the foglamp bulb replacements, The LED replacement for the incandescent 880 bulbs include the following:

http://www.ledlight.com/880-13-smt-5...ving-lamp.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/High-Powered-R.../dp/B001NOO76U


At 9W, they should be very bright, compared to the 20W Stock bulbs

how much real gain is it in the brightness do you have any comapison pictures?
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how much real gain is it in the brightness do you have any comapison pictures?
i would love to see them also! ya guys know what though, there's a drawback with these kind of led lights for people who live in freezing climates. say it's snowing heavy with those lights on, they won't melt the ice & snow on them because the led's won't get hot like a bulb would & the lights would get covered. same for led's that might fit into the headlamp housings in future headlamp conversions.

if your lights are iced up in the morning, & already covered, the same thing goes. on my car the bulbs melt the snow pretty fast...

sometimes the saturn light assemblys get condensation in them & again ya need the heat of a regular bulb to dry up this moisture in operation.
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yeah forgot about that saturnsctwo with all this snow and that
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Sorry, I didn't take any comparison pics, but they do make a huge difference. Night driving in the winter here (with that common combination of dark & rainy) is a real strain. My wife used to cuss the old headlamps even more than I did. Now, no complaints.

Someone else did post comparison pics, probably you can find them with a search.
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Sorry, I didn't take any comparison pics, but they do make a huge difference. Night driving in the winter here (with that common combination of dark & rainy) is a real strain. My wife used to cuss the old headlamps even more than I did. Now, no complaints.

Someone else did post comparison pics, probably you can find them with a search.
so you have these led's in your fog lamps? if so what ones do ya have exactly?

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yeah forgot about that saturnsctwo with all this snow and that
led's do in fact get hot, & that's why they are usually mounted on heat sinks, but it's a different kind of heat. the bulbs put out a more radiant intense heat. if fact i thought i read somewhere that future cars with factory led headlights would have heating/ventilation in their housings. on my 2001 sc2 snow & ice really can't accumulate on the fog lamps because they are recessed in the bumper cover so led's in those houisings would not matter, but on the headlamp pods that's a different story. having bluish bright fog's interests me. i would love to see these lights.....
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led's do in fact get hot, & that's why they are usually mounted on heat sinks, but it's a different kind of heat. the bulbs put out a more radiant intense heat. if fact i thought i read somewhere that future cars with factory led headlights would have heating/ventilation in their housings. on my 2001 sc2 snow & ice really can't accumulate on the fog lamps because they are recessed in the bumper cover so led's in those houisings would not matter, but on the headlamp pods that's a different story. having bluish bright fog's interests me. i would love to see these lights.....

Just to clarify, i *DO NOT* have LEDs in either my low beams or my fog lamps, I was just curious if anyone else had given them a try.

I'm surprised that a 9W LED would overheat in the fog light fixture, certainly there should be less waste heat generated vs. a 27W incandescent.
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Just to clarify, i *DO NOT* have LEDs in either my low beams or my fog lamps, I was just curious if anyone else had given them a try.

I'm surprised that a 9W LED would overheat in the fog light fixture, certainly there should be less waste heat generated vs. a 27W incandescent.
oh the way you were talking about how bright they are i asseumed you ahd them. no a 9 w led won't over heat at all. but the problem is these light housings do need some heat to expell moisture & condensation when it forms...
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oh the way you were talking about how bright they are i asseumed you ahd them. no a 9 w led won't over heat at all. but the problem is these light housings do need some heat to expell moisture & condensation when it forms...
Got it. If I buy a pair of LED replacement bulbs, I'll be sure to put a new weekly item on the maintenance calendar -- blow drying the foglight reflector assemblies ;^)
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Got it. If I buy a pair of LED replacement bulbs, I'll be sure to put a new weekly item on the maintenance calendar -- blow drying the foglight reflector assemblies ;^)
the housings should dry out themselves eventually without heat if their vent system is working properly without any leaks in the housings, but the heat helps. sometimes the halogen bulbs on the other hand cause moisture to form in the first place say when it's cold & humid outside the heat of the bulb causes some moisture to form in the inner corner of the lenses. led replacements might never be a reality for our headlamp housings seeing they need the optics to go with them unless they can make them very small. the new audi for example has a large what looks like a curved magnifying glass in front of an led cluster to focus the light on the road where it belongs. so that might be hard to make in a small capsule, but we'll see what they come out with...

sure ya can get led drl's now or low power fog lights, but actual headlamp led's are another story...
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