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Old 08-17-2006, 05:59 PM   #1
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Default '93 SW2 goes into gear but does not move

I have a '93 SW2 with a 5 speed manual transmission that appears to have everything working correctly - engine, clutch, transmission - but when I put it in gear and release the clutch the car does not move. The clutch pedal has normal pressure, the transmission levers seem to all move normally, but when the clutch is released the car does not move. The transmission oil is normal, clutch master cylinder fluid level is full, and there is no sign of any fluids leaking underneath the car. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:42 PM   #2
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Sounds like you scattered your clutch. Thats is, the plate is either very worn down or it just broke apart or the pressure plate springs are busted. Either way, time for a new clutch.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:58 PM   #3
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Thanks for the info. Right now it is sitting stranded in a resturant parking lot but tomorrow morning I plan to tow it home and take a really good look at it. Thanks again for your help.
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There's realy no doubt that it's the clutch. Cheapest kits are on Ebay.

The OEM clutch made by LUK is here.
The Valeo that some on here prefer is here.

Personally I'd go with the LUK. The original clutch is pretty durable on these cars. Don't go to a dealer they only stock the newer clutch and that requires your flywheel to be specially machined beyond the normal resurfacing.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:35 PM   #5
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The valeo is slightly thinner than the stock LUK. I have a Valeo in mine, and no problems or complaints. I would recommend the LUK though.
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Old 08-18-2006, 09:47 PM   #6
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Towed the car home this morning, jacked up the front end, and put it on blocks.
Started up the engine and put the transmission thru all 5 gears plus reverse. In each gear the front drive wheels would start turning but they had such little power that I could stop either wheel by pressing against it with my bare hands.
I was hoping there might be some noise or grinding sounds coming from the clutch but it is as quiet as a mouse. I think I will pick up a Chilton's manual tomorrow to give me a better idea of how to proceed with the clutch removal. I'm a fairly decent shade tree mechanic but have little experience on front-wheel drive cars. I did replace the starter on this car 2 years ago but this job looks like a real headache compared to that.
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The way the Chilton's manual says to do it is pretty involved. The manual is useful, but for this job. Check this link and this link. I think you'll find that they are easier to do.
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Started up the engine and put the transmission thru all 5 gears plus reverse. In each gear the front drive wheels would start turning but they had such little power that I could stop either wheel by pressing against it with my bare hands.
That's actually normal. The differential allows one wheel to turn at drastically different speeds than the other one to go around curves. If you were to try to stop both wheels, you would get some resistance.
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Front wheels in the air, trans in neutral, engine running on a car that is working properly the front wheels (drive wheels) will spin. That is just from parasitic drag through the trans.
Short of broken interanl trans parts or external things like axles, CV joints and so on you likley have a bad clutch. Trans is actuall shifting into gear yes, not just seeming like it? At the shifter linkage on the top of the trans manuall grab hold of the shift levers and move them in to a gear and see what happens when the engine is started and clutch let out.
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There's realy no doubt that it's the clutch. Cheapest kits are on Ebay.

The OEM clutch made by LUK is here.
The Valeo that some on here prefer is here.

Personally I'd go with the LUK. The original clutch is pretty durable on these cars. Don't go to a dealer they only stock the newer clutch and that requires your flywheel to be specially machined beyond the normal resurfacing.
Is the LuK worth the extra $40? I have a feeling I'm going to be doing mine soon as well...

What's the difference between a "T/O Bearing" and " release bearing, pilot bearing"? That's the only difference I can see between them.
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"T/O" stands for "throwout"; same as the release bearing. (Not sure if it's the same as the pilot bearing).
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"T/O" stands for "throwout"; same as the release bearing. (Not sure if it's the same as the pilot bearing).

Pilot bearing is a different thing. It drives into the flywheel and the input shaft of the transmission goes into it to keep it centered.
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Pilot bearing is a different thing. It drives into the flywheel and the input shaft of the transmission goes into it to keep it centered.
And do I need one of those?

Do they both have one and only one auction lists it?
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Is the LuK worth the extra $40?
That sort of depends on what $40 is worth to you. To me, a few more months without having to go to the trouble of replacing a clutch is worth $40. I could die in that period and not have to bother. That said, several people on here have used the Valeo and are satisfied with the results.
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