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Old 12-19-2021, 07:16 PM   #1
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I was perusing different types of fog/driving lamps for the car and had some ideas. Having a 2000, I don't have the benefit of the round style.

I can purchase new housings, but then I don't have the plugs that fit the bulbs.

I can purchase aftermarket and do my own wiring, but it might look weird in the factory placement.

Mounting some slim lights near the air dam is a possibility, but I risk having them bouncing around since it's just plastic.

I thought about just buying some used fixtures (if I can find them) and scavenging them for the brackets so I can buy any light and mount them that way so I don't have to do any major manufacturing for a bracket. Would anyone have measurements of the end of the bracket the light actually mounts to?

Has anyone purchased aftermarket lights and put them in place of the factory lights? I'm curious to see pics if anyone has. I can't do anything right now anyway with it being cold and "bleh" outside, but I'd like to plan it out.

I mean, I COULD go all ghetto and get a huge five foot long driving light and mount it to the roof! (yeah, right)
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My son just put a junkyard set of lights in his car. Was able to plug a stock switch in and everything. Very clean retrofit. The fog light relay was even there though no factory fog lights.
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I'd certainly go that route, but there's not a single S-series in any junkyard in Michigan, unfortunately.
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You need several things…

A relay
The wiring from fuse box to lights
A couple of fuse box pins
The dash switch
And the lights

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274449445133

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Old 12-20-2021, 05:30 PM   #5
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You need several things…

A relay
The wiring from fuse box to lights
A couple of fuse box pins
The dash switch
And the lights

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274449445133

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274732461291

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https://youtu.be/Fn8-tzTo8Ck
For me, the wiring isn't the issue, I still don't have the plugs to actually plug the wiring into the lights for the factory fog lamps. I THINK I saw one while researching parts and it was almost $40, but I don't have a part number to cross reference right now.
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Old 12-20-2021, 06:22 PM   #6
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Rock Auto

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Well, that gets me one step closer, but I found some really nice driving lights too, so it's all still up in the air. At least I can save that part number if I decide to go factory
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$60 for a pair of OEM fog lamps with brackets and bulbs and another $20-30 for the connectors is a pretty good deal in my opinion.

From there you have some options...

You could do it factory using an OEM switch pod, some UhJB pins and some 16 gauge wire. Making your own harness is not too difficult if you can't find an OEM donor car.

You can wire them to come on with the parking lamps using a relay. In this case there wouldn't be a separate switch.

You can wire them to a switched circuit using a relay and use an aftermarket switch.
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I'd certainly go that route, but there's not a single S-series in any junkyard in Michigan, unfortunately.
Where in MI? Parts Galore has 3 locations, 12 x 3rd gen S series at the 8 mile location
https://www.parts-galore.com/inventory/

Two in Pontiac
https://www.u-pullandsave.com/used-c...chType=vehicle

The ones near me don't have any (Weller in GR per Row52, U Pullandsave in Mason)
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ooooh, smack dab in the middle of the state. I mean, I use Car-part.com and can find parts, but they're all hundreds of miles away from me. Not driving across state for some fog lamps.

Just seeing a Saturn on the road in this part of the state is like finding a unicorn some days.

I have a setup right now, bought some nice lights off Amazon and a generic wiring harness, same one I use in my truck. I just need the weather to be warm so I can install them.
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Keep in mind the factory fog lights use 880 bulbs...which are about as amazing as the 1156's used for the factory reverse lights. It's better than no fog lights at all, but if you have to buy them separately you'll have much better results with just about any aftermarket pair.

The '00-'04 Subaru's I drive now use 9006 bulbs in a "flood output" housing for their fog lights, so much more useful in the fog & snowstorms.
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These look interesting…

880 Sylvania yellow fog lights…

https://www.sylvania-automotive.com/...880FV.BP2.html
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Well, this is what I decided on.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0921RFMWW...roduct_details

It's a set of tiny driving lamps (should have said that instead of fog lamps, but oh well) from Amazon. They're a very similar style to Baja Designs S2 lights, but not nearly as expensive.

Usually I would shy away from eBay and even Amazon for lights, but I came across these and one thing that I noted was a user review that literally went out of his way to test these lights and even post the stats. Now, they could be all made up, but that seems like a lot of work for someone even if they wanted to just get people to believe they were better than they actually were.

I've already installed waterproof connectors and then tested them and they are really bright and cast light a long ways away.

My thinking is to mount them in the opening under the bumper, right on the cross beam. I think I'll have juuuust enough room for them to fit, that way I don't have to worry about custom brackets and trying to line them up in the factory fog lamp holes.

Now I just need it to be warm again so I can actually work on it!
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Looks like you found a nice set, looking forward to the install update
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ooooh, smack dab in the middle of the state. I mean, I use Car-part.com and can find parts, but they're all hundreds of miles away from me. Not driving across state for some fog lamps.
Yeah, I hear you, man. I only drove to the Parts Galores (90 minutes) because I had a whole laundry list of parts (was trying to color match a door panel, amongst other things). It worked out pretty well as I found a pristine panel in my color, but I also picked up nice leather steering wheels, etc. (I filled a wheelbarrow full of parts at the first location, but no door, second location had I think two doors that matched)

One of the limits of car-part is that they don't list parts from u-pull it yards, only what the yard has pulled and catalogued. So, carpart.com will never list parts from the u-pull and save near me (Mason, MI about 45 min away). That place hasn't had an S series in a couple of years.

I did see three 3rd gen S series sedans at Cat's in Lansing. No way of telling what parts are on those cars, though https://www.catsautoparts.com/custom2
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Unfortunately we don't have any u-pull lots near me anyway and I do know that Car-part.com doesn't list yards that aren't a part of the service (one right in the middle of town isn't), so I know I might be missing out on a few here and there, but never certain.

I guess if I'm really hard up for a rare part that I can't find online, I'll check out the far and away lands, but so far has not come to that
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So, we had a decent 40 degree day a few days ago and being the impatient one I am, I decided to see if I could mount the lights.

I had done some test fits and it seemed like they would be ok, but testing as opposed to doing gave me some not so wonderful results.

It seemed that no matter where I placed the lights, even with that super low profile mounting bracket, every single thing that could be in the way was in the way. That either meant it was blocking the lights or there wasn't enough clearance to mount them.

And yet you can see they are mounted. What did I do? I'm not too proud to admit this and it certainly is not one of my more prouder moments, but they are actually mounted to the bumper pad behind the bumper cover. I'd smack myself upside the head, but that wouldn't change anything.

It's not a permanent fit either, I simply used a couple 4in wood screws to hold them in place just so I could test things out to see if this would even work. I originally thought to mount them where the factory lights go, but that huge gaping hole just didn't look good (and now I can't get the cover back on after taking it off. Might have to heat it up?).

I need to completely redo the entire thing anyway, the wiring is literally hanging around (safely, at least) and I don't even have the switch mounted on the dash. It was getting colder and darker the longer I worked on it and by the next day it was already a high of 20 degrees, so this will be a warm weather project to do it right.

These are some great lights too, they outshine my low beams and you can barely tell the high beams are on. I ordered some better bulbs for the low beams too, the ones I have are super yellow, probably the low end bulbs that are like $10 each.
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