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Old 01-01-2006, 04:23 AM   #1
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Default is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

I am just curious, Last winter my car had a very hard time in the snow after a few centimetres of snow fell. I had to be pushed out many times. My tires were all season with decent grip. I've driven other cars in snow and hadn't had that much trouble really, but my saturn Sl2 seemed to get caught in the snow pretty often. I'm wondering if it's because the car is so light? or maybe all FWD's are like that.. or maybe my all season tires just didn't cut it... anyone else have this problem?
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Old 01-01-2006, 04:41 AM   #2
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

Actually, i didn't have much trouble driving in the snow. I own a 98 sl-1 and it did extremely well in the snow and ice.but besides that, when it came to stopping i ahd a little trouble. It seems like the car either like you said, is too light or the wheels are not wide enough. Now that i am typing, i have a question. Does anyone know where i can get an aftermarket steering wheel for the sl? I know MOMO has some that are compatible, but i don't have that kind of money. Any help will be appreciated.
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Old 01-01-2006, 05:06 AM   #3
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

What brand of tires do you have? I can't speak much about snow (haven't seen any in a LONG time) but in the rain; I can tell you that Kumhos are, uh, not so good. My SL was always squirrely in the rain. I thought it was the car, until I switched to Michelins. Never a slide after that.
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Old 01-01-2006, 05:06 AM   #4
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my saturn owned the snow that thing could go anywhere, but thats just me i laugh at slippery roads hahaha
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:47 AM   #5
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

I've used snow tires on my SL2 and never had any trouble in the snow with it.
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:22 AM   #6
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

I'm probably no help here but I am on my 3rd Saturn and I commute 40 miles to Fargo, ND every day in a Saturn, which includes lots of ice and snow and compared to my 3 Camrys I've owned, the Saturn blew them away and always on the stock Firestones. I've passed many cars in the ditch and where I live, wind is a factor, so smaller more aerodynamic helps keep me from getting blown into the ditch. SUVs seem to find there way in the ditch often and they probably have the best traction/weight out there. See, no help here- stay warm..
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Old 01-01-2006, 12:04 PM   #7
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Make sure your tires are inflated properly. If your tire pressure is too low you are driving on skis. I do ok in the snow, just stopping can be tricky (no abs).
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Old 01-01-2006, 12:13 PM   #8
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

Lionel,

A question for you ; are you driving with extra-wide rubber? I owned three S-series and they were always outstanding to drive in snowfalls of 6" or less. The first even two lacked ABS and traction control but they were still confidence-inspiring to pilot in powder. I never thought the cars' ~2400-pound curb weight was that much of a minus.

Narrow tires work better in the snow even though you'd think a bigger footprint would help, so my relatively puny 14-inchers on the SL and SL1 worked great (those are the only times I can remember ever passing Corvettes, Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs, etc., especially when the stoplights turned green). The ABS and TC on my SL2 compensated for the 15-inch wheels and its slightly wider tires.
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Old 01-01-2006, 01:15 PM   #9
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Yes, the low weight is a problem in deep snow. I have been stranded too many times in my all-seasons... couldn't even get off my street. Make sure you get aggressive, thinner snow tires and turn off your traction control in heavy snow.
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Old 01-01-2006, 01:20 PM   #10
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

No, weight not an issue in my experience, but ground clearance
sure is!

Anything over 5-6" of new snow will "hang up" my S. My car will
literally build up a ramp of snow under the front subframe and cause
a loss of traction as the tires are lifted up.

I don't use snow tires, just some AW Michelins (Harmony), but I
doubt it would make any difference. When I bought my S in '02,
I expected that it would be a much better winter car than what it
has turned out to be. Never stuck, but have gotten pretty close
a couple of times.

For the record, my BEST winter cars have been (in order):

1. 66' Dodge Coronet - 6cyl./auto, recapped tires. Buried it up past
the axles and it would still walk out of the snow... . Was helped by the
fact that it couldn't spin it's tires even if it was parked on Teflon.

2. 78' FIAT 128 - Light car (1,790lbs.) on skinny tires (155SR12) - great
combo, as VW found out with the Bug. If FIAT could have conquered the
Italian rot (rust), we'd all be driving them today (forgetting the fact that. GM paid $2.2B not to buy the company).

3. 85.5' Ford Escort (wagon) - Another great combo of light weight,
skinny tires, helped by an underpowered engine. Ford was wise to make
it run on only 3 cylinders, it might have become dangerous otherwise.

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Old 01-01-2006, 01:44 PM   #11
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

Invest in some Bridgestone Blizzaks or similar snow/ice compound tire. These cars go in in the snow.
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Old 01-01-2006, 01:53 PM   #12
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As others have touched upon, keep in mind there is probably a significant difference in winter driving ability among SL/SC/SW and SL2/SC2/SW2 models.

The SL2/SC2/SW2 are more 'performance' oriented. The engines are more powerful (contributing to wheel spin) and the tires are wider (skinnier tires are better in snow) and more oriented for sporting performance and NOT winter traction.

When I encountered my first winter in my '98 SW2, I was frankly shocked at how virtually useless it was in a few inches of snow or a bit of ice on the road. It was a challenge getting out of a parking space with a little snow and ice. I basically had no choice but to buy snow tires.

You can find snow tires for Saturns for less than $50 each. I've bought my last several sets of tires (both snow and regular tires) off the internet. The cheaper snow tires such as Yokohama and Dunlop have always worked just fine for me.

Here are two websites to check out:

www.tires.com
www.tirerack.com

One costs $5-8 dollars more per tire, the other offers free shipping (worth about $30 via UPS) so they end up about even.
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Old 01-01-2006, 01:56 PM   #13
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only thing my SL1 dosen't like is wind.....its windy an Im all over the road
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:07 PM   #14
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In the few times I have driven in the snow, I have found that my 96 sl1 does exceptionally well and never gets stuck.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:21 PM   #15
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I agree, my 98 SL1, on 4 winter tires never gets stick. i juse to drive a 94 Jetta on all seasons and i got stuck a bunch of times. in my Satty, i jus put it in reverse(if i can) and get out. its great!
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:25 PM   #16
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

I've only driven each of my two Saturns in the snow once each, and both have done exceptionally well. My SL1 had a little trouble with starting after you stop (plowed just enough snow in front of the wheels to cause a bit of a stumbling block), but it never got stuck, nor did I ever think it came close. My SC1 does better in the snow. Last year, I got caught in a bit of a freak snow storm and my SC1 had absolutely no problems with it. Then, after about two hours, all of the snow melted and then the temperatures dropped and it all froze, so I got to drive home on almost solid ice. Once again, my SC1 had no problems at all. Whenever she started to slip, she was very predictable and easily corrected. BTW, my SL1 had the stock 14" steel rims with a decent set of Goodyears on it (I don't remember what size exactly), and my SC1 had 15" wheels with National P195-60's on them at the time.
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:22 PM   #17
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Default Re: is the S-series Low weight cause for poor winter driving?

All this information has helped me out bigtime, I guess my next step is to buy some winter tires, that should definitely help things out.
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I get through snow very easy in my 93 SL2
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Weight doesn't seem to make a difference except in crosswinds. Good tires can make a poor car in snow, lets say a Ford Mustang, become more than acceptable. Here's the only time my Saturn was ever stuck in the snow:

And yes, I have driven through 6" of standing snow, not including drifts and ruts.
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I've driven other cars in snow and hadn't had that much trouble really, but my saturn Sl2 seemed to get caught in the snow pretty often. I'm wondering if it's because the car is so light? or maybe all FWD's are like that.. or maybe my all season tires just didn't cut it... anyone else have this problem?
it's the tires. tires are your only contact with the road. Saturn S-series are great in snow with the correct tires. get some winter tires like Dunlop Graspic DS-2 or Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 if you have serious snow issues. get them in the stock 185/65-15 or 195/60-15 size and you can use stock 15-inch wheels. all-season tires will only get you so far. we don't get it too bad for too long around here so I got away with using Falken ZE-512 tires on my 1996 SC2 last winter and they worked fine. this winter I'm on the OE Firestone Firehawk GTA that came on my 2002 SC2 for now but it's been mild. one concern I have with my coupes is they are lowered about an inch so I have less snow clearance compared to a sedan or a stock coupe.
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