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Old 05-07-2009, 09:43 PM   #1
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Default My 1994 Homecoming Edition "Restoration" Thread

Rather than starting a new thread on all of the things that I will be doing to "Restore" the 94 Homecoming Edition that I purchased on April 18, 2009. I've started this new thread, where I will catalogue my "Restoration" process, and things I have done along the way.

Here is the timeline...so far:

April 18, 2009:

Purchased car from Youngstown, Ohio. Got car home and discovered Hard wired Coolant fan relay to Back up switch circuit fuse. Car also has scrapes on left side (which will need panel replacement----Driver's Side Panel, Rear Left Passenger outer panel, and Rocker Panel on Driver's Side). I have a replacement Driver's Side Panel (received from a yard near Cleveland)...still looking for the other panels. Car also is missing passenger side mirror, which was ordered from a parts yard in Kansas. Odometer Gear needs to be fixed. Headliner needs to be fixed, Seats need to refurbished, as does carpet. According to previous owner, car does not maintain good charge, Battery replaced twice in 2008, even though Alternator test good.

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Old 05-07-2009, 09:52 PM   #2
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Here is an update on what has been done so far with the 94 HCE

April 18-May 7, 2009

Removed Front Driver/Passenger Seats. Aftermarket Remote Starter was installed at one point and was hot wired into Ignition Connector, Wire #5 with Tachometer. After tracing wires into the firewall, I discovered that the remote starter was wired into larger 14 gauge wiring underneath the steering wheel. I currently have cut all of the aftermarket wiring out. I also have gradually started removing pieces to take the headliner down to redo the headliner.

Parking Light on left side will need to resoldered as it broke when I was removing the aftermarket wire for the starter (wire to parking lights to signal remote starter was on/off)

Fog Lights do not work, and Fog Light on passenger side has cracked housing.
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May 7, 2009

Electrical Test #1

Tonight was a good night for the HCE. I ran my first electrical test of the entire car after removing all of the aftermarket wiring. I reintalled just the instrument cluster, battery, and air hose on Throttle Body. Started the car up and let it run for a half hour. Tested all of the electrical items on the car, with exception to the power windows, as I know these all work well.

My main reason for this test was to see if the temp gauge measured properly and also to see if the coolant fan kicked on when the gauge reached the red zone. Coolant fan kicked on as it should when the gauge reached the threshold, so that is a good sign. I am still planning on replacing the ECTS anyway.

I replaced the passenger side mirror (YAY!) That was easy. Looks nice. I didn't get the opportunity to test it eletrically, as it was after I took out my battery.

So here are some observations:

1/2 Hour Engine Test

* Car Idles at just below 1000 RPMS. Sounds smooth. No misses.
* No Wiper Blade Operation. Switch doesn't work. Will need to investigate. Are the Wiper Blades hooked up with the Air Bag circuit/fuse?

* Traction Control Light on Dash
* No Fog Light Operation
* Initially 12:00 displayed on Clock, but then clock went out when lights were turned on. Radio worked, but no clock when lights are turned on, it was still light outside so I may not have been able to see the clock since the sun was shining. Will need to follow up on this...

* Did Paperclip Test to see if any SES codes were present, which may have been related to Traction Control. Code 12 (Diagnostic Test Code) was all that was present, and I heard coolant fan running when I did this.

All in all, a good evening. Car looks good with the replacement mirror and no leaks from underneath after letting the car run for a half hour. No leaks from coolant, waterpump area, radiator, oil...all ran well.

More updates to follow as I get more into working on the car. I'll post pictures in this thread as well. If anyone has any ideas the wiper blade inoperation would that be due to the fact that I had to jumpstart the car tonight...battery not holding enough of a charge to run the wipers?

All thoughts appreciated.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:52 PM   #4
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May 12, 2009

Got into the car tonight to get some of the liquid electric tape to use. Got all of the wires coated a few times.

Need to go get the title transferred and a new Ohio title issued for the car. I just have to put the seats and everything else back in...

Have a new issues that I have discovered, so I'll need to investigate this a little further...While I was getting some stuff ready and getting ready to go inside, my son was getting out of the car and walked on the carpet and I heard this water sloshing sound There is a small puddle of water underneath the carpet and behind where the driver's seat would be installed.... it did rain recently but the headliner is dry.... Weird....

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"While I was getting some stuff ready and getting ready to go inside, my son was getting out of the car and walked on the carpet and I heard this water sloshing sound There is a small puddle of water underneath the carpet and behind where the driver's seat would be installed.... it did rain recently but the headliner is dry.... Weird...."


My 99 SC2 w/ sunroof I just got has the drivers side carpet cut OUT! No leaks when I even did a high pressure wash on the car...odd...seems to be the same problem...would like the help also!
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Sun roof drains plugged?
If the sunroof drains are plugged, would they be more likely to plug up around the sunroof itself or the drains in the wheel wells? The sunroof doesn't show any leaks or signs of leaks around the headliner...there are no waterstains, etc. The headliner is in good shape,although it has already started to seperate from the backing...it is the original headliner. I'll be digging more into it once I get the new title...etc...
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Update- 05/09/2011- 05/11/2011

I know I haven't updated this thread in a while. Life got in the way. Those of you with families know.

Over the past week I have been tinkering around with the car. I have the new registration tags for the car now, as well as the car now being on the Insurance. I have started the car up a few times and it still purrs and runs nice. I took it out of the garage last night. I did swap out the Brake Fluid with a turkey baster and put in fresh Brake Fluid. The old Brake Fluid smelled bad, so I changed it out. I took the car out of the garage and pulled it into the driveway. Brakes are still spongy and pedal goes almost all the way to the floor. I parked the car in the driveway to work on a few things. Finally was able to take out the rest of the headliner material. With the car parked, E-Brake is shot and after I pulled the car back in the garage I noticed that the rear wheel cylinders are leaking. I kind of figured that they wouldn't be in the best shape, but another piece to the project. Wheel Cylinders aren't that expensive, so I'll be replacing the wheel cylinders and the E-Brake components over the summer.

That's about all to report right now. More updates as they happen
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Good luck with the progress. I'm tuning into this thread when I see it for sure. Nice to see a rare Saturn get the home she deserves.
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....I noticed that the rear wheel cylinders are leaking. I kind of figured that they wouldn't be in the best shape, but another piece to the project. Wheel Cylinders aren't that expensive, so I'll be replacing the wheel cylinders and the E-Brake components over the summer.

I'm suprised that the HCE didnt come with ABS and rear disc.
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I'm suprised that the HCE didnt come with ABS and rear disc.
The HCE does have ABS. I don't know if it has rear disc or not- I have yet to take the rear wheels off to see. When I pulled the car back in the garage last night it was getting dark but I did notice a fairly spot of Brake Fluid on the driveway from where I had the car parked that was suspect to the rear right tire as the car was the only one that was parked in that specific location of the driveway.
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Good luck with the progress. I'm tuning into this thread when I see it for sure. Nice to see a rare Saturn get the home she deserves.
Thanks

I know that some would of you think I am a geek (well, Saturn geek)... but regardless... the sad thing about the HCE is that there are not many of them left out of the 3500 that were made. Sadly a good portion of the HCE cars that I have researched and found online have wound up in Salvage yards and the cars have either been toasted in a wreck or something else has happened to them.

In researching the VINs that I have collected of the HCE (for my registry); I discovered today, the first two VINs for two cars that were built one right after the other daywise. One was built on 04/15/1994, and the other was built 04/16/1994 with 1172 S-Series cars built between their respective VINs.
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Since it has ABS, and isn't a later year or a wagon, it has rear discs.
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So- this is not a mistake, or a duplicate post or anything like that...

Now that I am down to the only Saturn in my stable- The HCE, it is now time for the "Full Restoration" to take place.

Essentially, yes- I am reviving my own 6 year old thread...

Work started on getting the HCE cleaned up on 02/28/2015.

Over the past two weekends I have been working on the car. Yesterday and Today was getting wheels back on the car. I also charged up the battery all day yesterday. Today was getting the plugs swapped out and getting more things under the hood taken care of.

So far, new Coolant has been added to the car, I just bought some new Oil so I will be swapping that out. I still need to get new Auto Trans Fluid and a Filter so that I can drain the old ATF and replace it.

I put in 5 Gallons of Fresh Gas last night. After swapping Plugs out and putting just a capful of Marvel Mystery Oil in each plug well- I got them connected up and went to starting the car. The car WANTED to start... but was sputtering and coughing. Finally at 12:15 PM today (03/08/2015) the car came back to life!

It still has a long way to go before it will be roadworthy- but the car for a short time will see some daily driving, until I have enough to put down on a newer vehicle.

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Update 03/09/2015 Leaking Rear Brake Line and Rear Passenger Wheel Brake Leak.

Having found that there is a rear Brake Line Leak, leaking from the back center rear of the car and the Passenger Wheel- and I have searched but not been able to come up with any step by step for replacing Rear Brake Lines...any links that anyone can point me to?

Has anyone done a Rear Brake Line replacement with compression fittings? Is this the proper way to go? Obviously the line is broken, but I have not yet taken a closer look to see where the leak is coming from.

I have located Wolfman's procedure to remove the rear Calipers and Rear Rotors as the HCE has 4 Wheel ABS... but I also need to replace the Rear Brake Lines...
Any help that anyone can provide will be helpful. Will need to get this done within the next week or two and before the end of March.
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Metal line is replaced by buying a roll of the proper size tubing and the ISO bubble flare tool. Save the fittings. I do not think there has been much actual discussion on replacing or making lines. There is a copper/steel alloy line material that is easy to work with which is nice.
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Metal line is replaced by buying a roll of the proper size tubing and the ISO bubble flare tool. Save the fittings. I do not think there has been much actual discussion on replacing or making lines. There is a copper/steel alloy line material that is easy to work with which is nice.
OldNuc- Thank you for the reply. Have you had any experience with the AGS Poly Armour Lines?

I have been seeing quite a few recommendations for this specific type of Brake Line as a Replacement.

https://agscompany.com/product-categ...s/poly-armour/

Obviously this is not something I am going to be able to wait on to get fixed, as my plan is to have the car running by the end of this month... so I am also going to have to get the necessary other pieces of hardware as well for the rear (Rear Rotors, Pads, etc.)
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That product will work. Look at he line to be replaced and see how many bends are in it. Simple bends can be made by hand carefully but sharp tight bends require a bender.
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Got the car up in the air last night to look at the leaking brake line. The line in question is the line that goes to the back passenger wheel and the line has a pinhole leak in it... so when you step on the brake pedal, the line will basically squirt a pinhole stream of brake fluid out.

Now, having looked at the line and how it is set up, the line has two 45 degree bends in it and is one continuous line from the back Driver's side of the car to the back Passenger side of the car where it terminates at the brake hose connector. The line that I will be replacing is roughly about 33 inches in length +/- 6 inches, accounting for the two bends.

Fortunately, the line is easily accessible because it runs along the rear Sway Bar, and is held in with two plastic tab connectors that have a small metal bracket holding the brake line to the Sway Bar.

I have some pictures that I will post later tonight showing the area that needs to be replaced.

The rear Passenger Wheel Caliper Piston is leaking as well- which could be from the car sitting so long or could be from the low pressure in the line because of the leaking/rusted brake line.

I am thinking about putting one connector fitting on the Driver side back and then just having the new end terminate at the brake hose connector on the back Passenger side. At least to eliminate having multiple connectors running on a new brake line on the back.

Any thoughts or ideas on this for those that have replaced brake lines before? I want to make sure I do the job right the first time, with something that is going to last, rather then having to be redone because of multiple new connectors in the new line.
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