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Old 11-20-2014, 07:15 PM   #1
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Question H & R Coils.....

I recently installed a set of H & R 54340 Coils on my '93 SC1.


With the installation of a new set of struts along with the coils, I couldn't help but notice how much stiffer the ride was. Yeah the old struts were shot, but dang, the ride is a-lot stiffer.......
I suspect this is in part to the cold weather, making the struts stiffer......

However, I took a picture of the front coils with the car weight on 'em.



Does this look right to you all?

The car appears to be sitting at the correct stance, but .....





Generally Progressive coils have tighter rings at the bottom, which get progressively stiffer as the coils compress, but this seems a little like they have collapsed......
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Are those supposed to be used on Saturn? Looks like coil bind on the bottom coils. That makes a short, very stiff spring.
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:33 PM   #3
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Are those supposed to be used on Saturn? Looks like coil bind on the bottom coils. That makes a short, very stiff spring.
they are "brand new" according to the seller......

When I saw how the coils were sitting on each other like that, I didn't think it was correct.

I did follow the instructions for the coils in that I cut down the bump stop 3/4" on the front and .5" on the rear......But still..... It just doesn't look right....
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I wonder what car they were designed for. That is the question as the 750 lb of the Saturn has them seriously compressed.
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:40 PM   #5
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Google thinks they may have been sold as a Saturn part.
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:40 PM   #6
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I wonder what car they were designed for. That is the question as the 750 lb of the Saturn has them seriously compressed.
Ya! No kidding, that was my thought exactly.

There has got to be some other SC1/2 board members who have the same 54340 coils.....

anybody take a picture of your static coil setting.....?
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Old 11-20-2014, 07:42 PM   #7
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Google thinks they may have been sold as a Saturn part.
Even H&R has these 54340 coils listed for the Saturn.....

http://www.hrsprings.com/application...ts/33/571/1993
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Default Re: H & R Coils.....

That explains what I see and short springs are by design stiff.The usual drill is to have some space in the lower coils and less in the upper but initially the spring is longer and softer, then it gets stiff as it compresses.

I wonder what else is out there.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:33 PM   #10
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I don't know anything about the coils, but those are the only after-market wheels I've ever seen on a Saturn that I liked....

I did just replace all four of my original struts at 210k miles with plain Jane Monroe quick struts, and they definitely felt ridiculously stiff for the first week or so. I'm not sure if the car "settled" as the strut instructions said would happen, or if I got used to it, but it's much better now after a month or so.
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:57 PM   #11
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Did the h&r race springs come in black?
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:10 PM   #12
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They are a dark blue, sorta metallic color
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:36 AM   #13
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Default Re: H & R Coils.....

I'm so confused it's hurting my head. You're expecting stock ride quality from stiffer springs?
OEM Springs: ............................ 126 lb/in Front, 129 lb/in Rear
H&R Sport (1.4"F, 1.3"R):............. 205 lb/in Front, 195 lb/in Rear

Takes a few days/weeks to a few months for the height to settle down.

They ARE shorter than stock springs (even before taking into account the 1.3-1.5in of drop). Tons of tension on the strut mount when detached from the car with stock springs, virtually none with H&R's (they're almost safe to not use a spring compressor with). It's also part of the reason the rear springs clunk for some people without a spacer between the spring and perch on the bottom.

They sit on 3-4 dead coils on the bottom.

Experience based on a '93 SL2 with H&R Sport springs, then 3-4 years later a '96 SC2 with a different set of H&R Sport springs.
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Old 11-22-2014, 03:00 AM   #14
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'95 SL on H+R Sports

Yes, the ride is very stiff.
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... Well this is a buzz kill 8/

I "scored" a set of 4 of these springs on KYB's that appear to be pretty new at a bone yard for $120, I wasn't looking to lower my ride but I really needed struts.
What struts did you put on with these? Because your springs are new I wonder if they will soften a bit as they settle? I know on their website they claim that they will lower "without an overly harsh ride" which is of course very subjective.
Mine are black and labeled with R/C after the part numbers on them, I wonder if you have the race version? but I would think that would be a different number code.
I don't have mine on yet, but from the little bit of wear they do show it is where the bottom 4 coils ride on each other as in your pic so my guess is that it's correct.
Since they do need to settle to lower maybe the ride, while still being stiffer than stock obviously, will mellow out some.

FetchitFido - how was the ride on your's after a while, decent? gravel truck like? also going from bad struts and old stock coils I expect them to be stiffer but I kept my stock coils just in case it rides like a gravel truck.
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... Well this is a buzz kill 8/

I "scored" a set of 4 of these springs on KYB's that appear to be pretty new at a bone yard for $120, I wasn't looking to lower my ride but I really needed struts.
What struts did you put on with these? Because your springs are new I wonder if they will soften a bit as they settle? I know on their website they claim that they will lower "without an overly harsh ride" which is of course very subjective.
Mine are black and labeled with R/C after the part numbers on them, I wonder if you have the race version? but I would think that would be a different number code.
I don't have mine on yet, but from the little bit of wear they do show it is where the bottom 4 coils ride on each other as in your pic so my guess is that it's correct.
Since they do need to settle to lower maybe the ride, while still being stiffer than stock obviously, will mellow out some.

FetchitFido - how was the ride on your's after a while, decent? gravel truck like? also going from bad struts and old stock coils I expect them to be stiffer but I kept my stock coils just in case it rides like a gravel truck.
I put mine on roughly a year ago and the ride is still harsh

My wagon with 200k miles on the struts rides smoother than these do. Definitely doesn't handle near as well though.

If you end up not wanting them and decide to sell, I might be interested...
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