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Old 11-25-2022, 10:59 PM   #1
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hi my old friend pierrot and other sages for whom my respect is immense- need to replace the two radio speakers in the lower front doors of my 01 L 100. they have both died after 21 years of use and only the tweeters still sound. originals are no longer available. bought 6.5 inch kenwoods ready. first need to remove window crank. sounded like a simple job . viewed you tube videos and my saturn haynes manual. they say to get a shop towel between the panel and the long end of the handle and work it back and forth to pop out the snap clip. doesnt seem to work despite various tries. kindly request you help me particularly if you have done this successfully on this model. appreciate it. bob fisher
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Old 11-26-2022, 11:54 AM   #2
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hi sages- first step is to remove the window crank handle before you try to remove the door panel. have used the shop towel trick . not successful. have tried to view the snap clip to grab it with a small needle nose or pick. cannot see any despite pushing in the panel. can see the splined axle. this must be a unique setup to the L100 front door. you tube videos and haynes manual make it sound easy, but it isnt. if anybody here has actual experience removing this crank from the turn axle on an L 100 i would appreciate you telling me. thanks tons bob f
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hi sages- first step is to remove the window crank handle before you try to remove the door panel. have used the shop towel trick . not successful. have tried to view the snap clip to grab it with a small needle nose or pick. cannot see any despite pushing in the panel. can see the splined axle. this must be a unique setup to the L100 front door. you tube videos and haynes manual make it sound easy, but it isnt. if anybody here has actual experience removing this crank from the turn axle on an L 100 i would appreciate you telling me. thanks tons bob f
They make a tool for that. Not specific to Saturns. I believe Lisle makes one.
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Old 11-27-2022, 12:05 AM   #4
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hi irbraner- nice to hear from you again. read your note . have you used that lisle tool on your saturn L series front door window crank? cant see a clip on mine. im looking inside the end of the crank where the clip should be. even with pressing the panel in and away from the handle i cant see it. wondering if this model has a different style. please let me know if im doing something wrong. have tried the shop rag trick a few times and it doesnt catch on any prongs . thanks bob f
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Hi Bob, look at this link. This is what the clips look like on the window handle.
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hi lw300- i looked closely at your picture of the clips and will re view the area behind the hub end(not the knob end of the crank handle. one note from a mkkrinkle on the forum about this said there was no clip on this model 2001 L 100, but rather a pin secured the handle to the splined shaft and it had to be knocked out . will check this and get back to you. this is a large pain in the keaster causing issuance of the most foul adjectives. thanks bob f
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That is also possible since it is a GM Europe designed car. The 2002 factory manual does not acknowledge the possibility of manual windows. I agree that the pin style retainer is more difficult to deal with. I will continue to look today for better instructions for the pin style.
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hi LW- did check. cant see any metal C type clip that can be popped off with the lisle tool anywhere on the handle. nothing about it here except for the mkkrinkle comment. will check on you tube for how to remove. surprised there is nothing about it in official saturn service books. let me know if you find anything on how to remove it. maybe it has to be sacrificed and broken off and new handle with pin put in. the pin looks like a U clip but is plastic. tried to dislodge with a tack puller and a pick set. no soap. thanks tons. bob f
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The window crank handle fits Vectra B up to 10/01. Looks like they also fit Astra models up to 09 and are still available on Ebayuk if you break one. They do not show the back side or the clip/pin. Our cars are Vectra B clones. I will look for Astra information.
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I have been searching the Vauxhall forums and have not come up with anything other than the clip style.
Can you post a picture of the back side of the handle? Maybe with a mirror. I know it is difficult to push back on the door panel.
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hi LW- dont have any way to take picture of the back of the handle with it in place. thinking will have to break handle off with pliers which would rather not do. cant believe this is so difficult. let me know if you have any better suggestions. thanks bob f
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I would start on the passenger side so you can still roll down your window. You might have to break one off to figure out the retainer. Sorry I am little help. You might have to source a replacement handle from the UK since so few L series came with crank windows.I had one several years back with zero options. It was a 2000 LS, 2.2/5 speed and I only bought it for the stick shift parts. I parted the car and junked it with the manual doors.
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hi LW- didnt realize so few L series came with manual windows. wonder if the crank handles are different on the rears or if there are generics available. also if clip style handles can be swapped in as replacement. thanks bob f
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hi LW- finally resolved this hellacious conundrum. the setup is in fact exactly as you originally described( not the opel vectra b version with a i pin retainer). on my 2001 saturn L 100 ,the common snap clip with the two bent legs go into two slots on opposite sides of the socket of the handle which slides onto the splined shaft. to remove the clip you have to work a small pick through the opposite end of the snap clip until you can slightly raise the clip over the capand then pull it out. this is when you have to be careful that when the clip releases
it doesnt fly to the planet mongo(best to hold your other hand cupped over the end of the arm where the shaft connects to catch the clip when it releases. to reinstall the handle you insert the clip into the slots from the arm end and snap it in, not the socket end . the top of the clip should come to rest against two raised notches on the outside of the socket. those notches are there to help you leverage the pick when you raise and pull out the clip.to reinstall the handle you line it up with the splined shaft and firmly press it on. btw LW the clips match up exactly with the picture you sent me.
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hi LW- ran out of space to finish my reply about the breakthrough today. i appreciate you helping me. amazing how a seemingly simple matter can become so complicated. the trick with this is that it was impossible to see the clip while the handle was on the shaft and you had to probe for it not knowing from which end to free up and lift the loop of the clip. its a good thing we have this forum with excellent helpers like you since there are gaps in information out there on this car which is actually a long lasting auto if maintained. take care and thanks again. bob f
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hi LW- dont have music quite yet. both front speakers were blown . will have to take off each front panel now and remove the speakers in the front doors. have kenwood units to install and the speaker harnesses to hook them up. bought the car new on order in fall of 2000 so guess 21 years is a good lifetime for the originals. no sound coming outof rear door speakers . so they are probably bad too if they exist. only sound being produced is out of the two tweeter speakers in the top front doors. funny thing about this though the literature for the car and the new kenwoods said system had 8 speakers. i count 2 tweeters and 4 woofers in the bottoms of the four doors. thats 6 speakers. looked under the rear window sill in the trunk and there are cut outs for two there, but no speakers or wiring. no big deal because i only need 2 new woofers in the front doors. only thing i can figure is being a base model , maybe manufacturer didnt put 8 speakers in. also never remember sound out of the rear door speakers. maybe they were deleted too. what do you think ? also bought 1 inch spacers for the front woofers so there is no conflict with the rollup windows. kenwoods didnt supply them. any advice ? thanks again for your help . bob f
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The L100 was the basic model with only air conditioning standard. I would bet that you only have front speakers from the factory.
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hi LW- you may be right. in fact ill bet your are. the L!00 was very basic. standard radio was am fm no cassette player no special features. thought it had rear speakers, but come to think of it i never remember hearing them. two fronts are fine though. thanks tons again for your help. bob f
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Congrats on the removal of the regulator handle (as the factory called it). It is curious that the FSMs make no mention as to how these handles are to be removed. Further, no mention of a tool for its removal appears. It merely says "remove" them. It's comforting to know that FSM writers are capable of stating the obvious.
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