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Old 01-07-2011, 12:47 AM   #1
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Default 1999 SL1 -- dead battery -- security hell

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I have had a used 1999 Saturn SL1 for a few months now. Lovely vehicle.

Today I goofed, and left the lights on when I parked at my office. Went out three hours later, and the battery was dead.

Looked in my owner's manual Re: jump-starting, and connected a charger per those instructions.

It started charging fine, but also went into some security mode: lights blinking, horn singing, beeping, etc. For two minutes. Then it stopped.

Got the battery all charged up. Went to start the car. But it again did the 2-minute security dance. And wouldn't start. And I couldn't move it from Park (auto trans).

The vehicle did not come with a remote security system transmitter, so I didn't think it had any sort of security. But it seems it does.

Any idea how to get out of this hell mode ??

I tried the procedure in the owner's manual, pg. 79, "Starting your Saturn (If your transmitter is lost or damaged and the Saturn Security System is armed)". Didn't work.

thanks for any thoughts

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Old 01-07-2011, 12:56 AM   #2
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Any idea how to get out of this hell mode ??
I have no idea what model of security system your vehicle would have, but if it has a security system and no remote to go with it, the first thing I'd do would be to find the model number of the receiver under the dash (that should be where it is) and try to find a compatible remote and a manual online.

If all else fails, I'd be under there ripping that damn thing out and restoring all the stock wiring connections.

EDIT: You could try doing this: Turn the key rapidly from LOCK to RUN and back to LOCK about 5 times...this may put it in a sort of Valet mode so you can start the car and get home.
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I have no idea what model of security system your vehicle would have, but if it has a security system and no remote to go with it, the first thing I'd do would be to find the model number of the receiver under the dash (that should be where it is) and try to find a compatible remote and a manual online.
There's nothing under the dash. Is there some sort of stock anti-theft system in these cars, that might be triggered into being stupid by a draining/recharging of the battery ??

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You could try doing this: Turn the key rapidly from LOCK to RUN and back to LOCK about 5 times...this may put it in a sort of Valet mode so you can start the car and get home.
Okay .... Tried that. It just did its whoop whoop blink blink thing while I was going back and forth.

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There's no "receiver under the dash". The "security" is FACTORY (since it's in the owner's manual) and is part of the RKE. The RKE module is next to the rear seat, behind the trim panel next to the right rear door.

But that's not relevant. This version of Saturn security simply goes into alarm mode when you lock the car with the remote, and then try to unlock it with the key. Or when it _thinks_ that's what has happened, and I reckon the power interruption from the dead battery has somehow made it think that that's what has happened.

For the time being, visit our How-To Library and search on "paper clip" for instructions on how to disable the security for now. Meanwhile, look for a fob or two on eBay. They don't need to be for a Saturn. Any GM fob with an FCC code of AB01502T, and four buttons, will do. When they arrive, you can use the same instructions to sync the fobs and re-enable (if desired) the security.
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There's nothing under the dash. Is there some sort of stock anti-theft system in these cars, that might be triggered into being stupid by a draining/recharging of the battery ??



Okay .... Tried that. It just did its whoop whoop blink blink thing while I was going back and forth.

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First of all...does it do the "whoop whoop" thing as in the horn, or does it sound like an aftermarket car alarm?
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For the time being, visit our How-To Library and search on "paper clip" for instructions on how to disable the security for now.
Found it: " "S" Series RKE Remote and Option Programing" Off to prep a paper clip and see if the technique there will do the trick.

Thanks for speedy thoughts.
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Found it: " "S" Series RKE Remote and Option Programing" Off to prep a paper clip and see if the technique there will do the trick.
Per that note, I ran the paper clip from pin #8 to #4. Didn't hear any status horn chirps. Cycled the key 11 times, pulled out the jumper. As soon as I turned the key for the first on-off cycle, the beep beep blink blink whoop whoop of the alarm started, and it kept going for its usual 2 minute period.

Tried it all a second time, same lack of results.

Hmmm .... mysteries !!!
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There may be a back door reset by simply pulling the battery negative cable for 30 seconds then re-attaching. It may require the key left in the ignition ON position; try it without the key and then with the key in the ignition switch.

Is this no-start problem where there's dead silence when turning the ignition key to START? If so, locate the starter relay interrupt under the steering column and replace it or bypass it with a jumper wire across socket pins 30 and 87. The ignition key should now work to power the starter.

And if this is the original starter, it may be worn out and let you know at the wrong time. Some have luck with banging the starter body with a 2x4 for another start. If this works, replace the starter.
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There may be a back door reset by simply pulling the battery negative cable for 30 seconds then re-attaching. It may require the key left in the ignition ON position; try it without the key and then with the key in the ignition switch.
Aha !! The final try, with the key in the ignition switch, worked. [I set the key to the Run position.]

Phew !!!!

Thanks so much to everyone who jumped in. When this happened last night, I googled {saturn users forums} and found this community. Thanks SaturnFans ! Thanks Google !! Thanks 'net !!!!

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First of all...does it do the "whoop whoop" thing as in the horn, or does it sound like an aftermarket car alarm?
The sounds seemed to be quite integrated w/ the car. As the car's lights blinked, it went whoop whoop beep beep like the sound effects from an early 80's video/computer game.
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This version of Saturn security simply goes into alarm mode when you lock the car with the remote, and then try to unlock it with the key. Or when it _thinks_ that's what has happened, and I reckon the power interruption from the dead battery has somehow made it think that that's what has happened.
Thanks madpogue for nailing the diagnosis.
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The sounds seemed to be quite integrated w/ the car. As the car's lights blinked, it went whoop whoop beep beep like the sound effects from an early 80's video/computer game.
Sounds like there's still aftermarket equipment mixed in somewhere. The factory Security feature built into the RKE module only sounds the horn; there's no other speaker. Where was the sound coming from? Maybe someone incorporated the sound chip from an old '80s video game .
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For sure that has some type of aftermarket alarm on it, the saturn system just uses the horn.
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Sounds like there's still aftermarket equipment mixed in somewhere. The factory Security feature built into the RKE module only sounds the horn; there's no other speaker. Where was the sound coming from? Maybe someone incorporated the sound chip from an old '80s video game .
I meant to record the sound, but the problem got cured before I got to that.

It was from somewhere central in the engine compartment, but I couldn't nail it down further.

When it was in alarm mode, just tapping anything in the engine compartment set it off -- for example, just undoing the bolt on the negative battery post.

Any thoughts as to what I should be looking for to track this down ??

Would it have added a module to the fuse box ??
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