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Old 04-29-2020, 08:07 PM   #1
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Hello, folks!
I hope everyone finds themself healthy and morally strong during these historical times.
I plan to replace the engine cradle on my 98' SL2 this weekend. Any advice? Could you please drop the links in the comments on the threads you wish you would have read before doing this operation? I plan to use some 2x4 pieces of wood to hold the engine (the gearbox needs to be fixed in place I assume). Any advice or just your thoughts if you are feeling bored is much welcome. I'm a little bit nervous doing this on the cobblestone slopped street where I live with the minimal tools available
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Blast the heck out of the bolt retainers with a penetrant for a few days. They are tucked up within the engine cradle and sometimes break free when you turn the bolt. This makes it much harder to deal with as they are not in a favourable spot for access with tools.

Use a impact gun if possible.
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Blast the heck out of the bolt retainers with a penetrant for a few days. They are tucked up within the engine cradle and sometimes break free when you turn the bolt. This makes it much harder to deal with as they are not in a favourable spot for access with tools.

Use a impact gun if possible.
Solid point! I have inspected them and they look surprisingly well compare to the rest of the suspention bolts. But of course I will blast them with all available chemistry.
Sadly I have no impact driver. But I do have a long pipe that fits well on my tools.
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Have some vice grips ready if one of the retaining clips does break. Even with penetrating fluid, they tend to rust out over time and bend when you put torque on it. I had one break when I did mine
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Have some vice grips ready if one of the retaining clips does break. Even with penetrating fluid, they tend to rust out over time and bend when you put torque on it. I had one break when I did mine
Will buy one, thanks!
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Blast the heck out of the bolt retainers with a penetrant for a few days. They are tucked up within the engine cradle and sometimes break free when you turn the bolt. This makes it much harder to deal with as they are not in a favourable spot for access with tools.

Use a impact gun if possible.

I used an impact once.

It promptly spun the blind nut.


I prefer removing the entire driveline out the bottom over pulling an engine out the top - and I live in the rust belt.

The best tool for the job is PATIENCE.

I use a 1/2 drive socket and breaker bar wirh a 2 foot cheater bar. I break the bolt loose (after multiple PB Blaster soakings) and then work the bolt back and forth alernately loosening and tightening - then I will loosen about 1/16th of a turn at a time - and repeat. Occasional re-applications of penetrant help.

What this does is break off and clears the rust from the bolt. Failure to do this drags the rust into the space between thread faces - and makes the bolt turn progressively harder. Eventually the torque becomes high enough to spin the blind nut.

Taking the extra time actually SAVES time in my experience - saving you from fixing spun blind nuts.
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Mine came out with PB blaster and a breaker bar. If it gets tight when loosening,. Tighten back up a little more and PB blast it again.
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Next time I drop a drivetrain I plan on replacing the blind nuts with a simple piece of 3/4 inch cold roll steel tapped thru.

That won't spin....
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The nut retainers always break on me in the salt belt. I'm able to get them off with heat and an impact.

For reassembly, the retaining bracket as it's too far gone so I grind the sides of the circular nut into a 20mm hex bolt. Minimal metal is ground off, takes around 60 seconds to dial in the size with an open ended wrench and bench grinder. I'm then able to get a socket or wrench on it to torque it down to the 150lbs torque spec when aligning the cradle.
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The clip I broke I used a breaker bar on and the one that didnít I used an impact. It really just depends how bad the clip is before. The broken clip was also on the more rusty transmission side. I used lower control arm bolts putting it back together. M12-1.75 I think.
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Hey, folks!
Thank you for your great help. This forum rocks!
Luckily I had no issues with the cradle bolts. Came out like a charm! It might be my car is not yet rusty till the degree
The new one is on the car already. I couldn't finish before the sunset but will get Mr. Rusty back on the roads tomorrow.
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Thank you for your great help. This forum rocks!
Luckily I had no issues with the cradle bolts. Came out like a charm! It might be my car is not yet rusty till the degree
The new one is on the car already. I couldn't finish before the sunset but will get Mr. Rusty back on the roads tomorrow.

Wow, cool brick street. We still had brick downtown that was redone that way back in the late 80's or early 90's to duplicate the original brick that had been there. They paved it with asphalt about 10 years ago, Though.

That's a major project to be doing in the street.
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Nice job!
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You may already know this but make sure you line up the two guide holes on the front of the subframe with a 3/16 drill bit. (It might be bigger, I donít remember for sure) I forgot when I did mine and had to go back before getting an alignment done.
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You may already know this but make sure you line up the two guide holes on the front of the subframe with a 3/16 drill bit. (It might be bigger, I donít remember for sure) I forgot when I did mine and had to go back before getting an alignment done.
Thank you! I haven't done this yesterday but will check before tightening the bolts.
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You may already know this but make sure you line up the two guide holes on the front of the subframe with a 3/16 drill bit. (It might be bigger, I donít remember for sure) I forgot when I did mine and had to go back before getting an alignment done.
That's a new one on me.

I guess I have been lucky. Only one has required realignment.
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You may already know this but make sure you line up the two guide holes on the front of the subframe with a 3/16 drill bit. (It might be bigger, I donít remember for sure) I forgot when I did mine and had to go back before getting an alignment done.
IIRC, the subframe to spaceframe alignment holes are 9/16", but I used a couple of 1/2" wooden dowels and that has worked fine for a couple of subframes.
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Great job - I'm impressed you tackled this on a Pittsburgh street
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