Aem fi/c 6

Bearded1mx3 · 11-14-2018, 03:14 PM

So I'm curious if anyone on these boards have tried this instead of megasquirt. My buddy gave me one for free. I'm curious if itll even work. I emailed AEM and the rep responded saying that it is a universal piggyback system and will work with the 97 sl1 I gots.

Also if anyone can point me in the direction of where to start with installing these piggybacks. A general write up even on megasquirt will work because it should be about the same. I've searched...maybe I've missed it but all I got was a bunch of tuning specific questions or will it work questions. I was going to do megasquirt but looking on the DIY website I couldn't figure out what I needed to order.

billr · 11-14-2018, 05:16 PM

I peeked at the blurbs for that system. It seems to me that it will only retard spark and reduce injection PW from what the OEM is trying for. That is far from the versatility that a MegaSquirt would offer. However, if it is free...

toggenburg · 11-14-2018, 08:00 PM

Quite an expensive system, and our cars already squeeze the fuel for 40+ mpg.

Bearded1mx3 · 11-14-2018, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billr

I peeked at the blurbs for that system. It seems to me that it will only retard spark and reduce injection PW from what the OEM is trying for. That is far from the versatility that a MegaSquirt would offer. However, if it is free...

I guess I'm missing the important tho gs to look for with a ECU piggyback. MORE RESEARCH IT IS!!!!
But will this suffice for a low boost supercharger setup... any thoughts. I can move on to the megasquirt eventually but I have almost everything together for the headswap with a supercharger. Still trying to decide if I want to Fab a custom tuned intake or do that later.

fetchitfido · 11-15-2018, 01:00 AM

There's another, possibly cheaper option (well, not if the AEM was free...lol) that I can't remember the name of if you just want a useless piggyback system...

OH! Apexi SAFC 2. Install guide with broken pictures: http://www.scottjsousa.com/tsn/articles/SAFCInstall.htm
Looks like $150-$250 to purchase one on eBay, didn't check far enough to see if those are 'new' prices or 'used'.

If going for FI or NOS in the future, a piggyback system really isn't enough so if you're going to purchase anything right now for tuning go for the Megasquirt and save time/money down the road.

Bearded1mx3 · 11-15-2018, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fetchitfido

There's another, possibly cheaper option (well, not if the AEM was free...lol) that I can't remember the name of if you just want a useless piggyback system...

OH! Apexi SAFC 2. Install guide with broken pictures: http://www.scottjsousa.com/tsn/articles/SAFCInstall.htm
Looks like $150-$250 to purchase one on eBay, didn't check far enough to see if those are 'new' prices or 'used'.
If going for FI or NOS in the future, a piggyback system really isn't enough so if you're going to purchase anything right now for tuning go for the Megasquirt and save time/money down the road.

Well that's a kick in the nutz but it's the one I needed AEM will be shelved for a future project. Is there a write up I'm missing on what to order with mega....I dont mind assembling just dont know what to order.

fetchitfido · 11-15-2018, 10:27 AM

Probably little to nothing on it here on SaturnFans, but sixthsphere.com has TONS of info.
example: https://sixthsphere.com/showthread.p...iagram-How-tos

The cost of MegaSquirt really depends on what you want it to control...fuel only is pretty cheap, fuel & spark is really all that's required and medium priced...full on PCM replacement is rather pricey (though, I believe it's still under $700 fully assembled).

billr · 11-15-2018, 02:28 PM

Is the SL1 a manual trans or auto (TAAT)?

I always recommend the MS3 "kit", you get all the available features, or easy upgrade path to them, at only slight increase in cost.

Oops... I just realized you have also been posting on the MS forum. A lot of this has already been "asked and answered". Sorry for the redundancy.

billr · 11-15-2018, 02:45 PM

I will add, however, that you are going to have to control both fuel and spark, "fuel only" isn't an option. Also note that you may well have to do a lot of re-tuning if you start with one system and then migrate to another (as opposed to upgrading from one MS to another). You can get the AEM for free, but what about the turbo? Does that all come for free, including the new exhaust and intake plumbing? Tuning an install is probably not free either, even if you do it on the street and only have to pay for gas. My point is that the initial cost of the MS is probably not the most significant in the overall project. And, the help you can get from the MS community is "priceless". Ask AEM for schematics of their boards or source-code for the ECU program, see what they offer...

Bearded1mx3 · 11-16-2018, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billr

I will add, however, that you are going to have to control both fuel and spark, "fuel only" isn't an option. Also note that you may well have to do a lot of re-tuning if you start with one system and then migrate to another (as opposed to upgrading from one MS to another). You can get the AEM for free, but what about the turbo? Does that all come for free, including the new exhaust and intake plumbing? Tuning an install is probably not free either, even if you do it on the street and only have to pay for gas. My point is that the initial cost of the MS is probably not the most significant in the overall project. And, the help you can get from the MS community is "priceless". Ask AEM for schematics of their boards or source-code for the ECU program, see what they offer...

Yeah the AEM is out too much work for not the result I want. MS is it for sure. I'll wait it out and do other mods in the mean time. And it not going to be turbo

I'm using the IHI screw type charge from the mazda millenia s

amazinghl · 11-16-2018, 01:42 PM

I microsquirted my GLH, cost more around $1500.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=232453

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A general write up even on megasquirt will work because it should be about the same.

This picture should help.

RobertGary1 · 11-16-2018, 02:15 PM

It’s interesting they sell this. Is it legal to sell in some states? Here it’s certainly not here since any aftermarket parts that could effect emissions must be approved by the state.

-Robert

billr · 11-16-2018, 04:03 PM

OK, my mistake in assuming the "forced induction" would be a turbo. But is the IHI blower free? I think my point about costs is still relevant.

Post more questions on the MS forum, you will get endless help there. We only responded to your initial post as well as possible.

fdryer · 11-16-2018, 06:22 PM

"IHI screw type charge from the mazda millenia s" is probably a roots type belt driven supercharger. Forced induction can be either turbo or super charger.

Bearded1mx3 · 11-17-2018, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fdryer

"IHI screw type charge from the mazda millenia s" is probably a roots type belt driven supercharger. Forced induction can be either turbo or super charger.

Its 100% screw which is the only reason I chose it ove turbo. Incase anyone else wanted a different boost ides

on the millenia stock 2.3 the SC setup puts out 17psi. Granted it's on a Miller cycle engine but it's still capable of that. And it's a nice size for us.

11-14-2018, 03:14 PM	#1
Bearded1mx3 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 37	Aem fi/c 6 So I'm curious if anyone on these boards have tried this instead of megasquirt. My buddy gave me one for free. I'm curious if itll even work. I emailed AEM and the rep responded saying that it is a universal piggyback system and will work with the 97 sl1 I gots. Also if anyone can point me in the direction of where to start with installing these piggybacks. A general write up even on megasquirt will work because it should be about the same. I've searched...maybe I've missed it but all I got was a bunch of tuning specific questions or will it work questions. I was going to do megasquirt but looking on the DIY website I couldn't figure out what I needed to order.

11-14-2018, 05:16 PM	#2
billr Master Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6,571	Re: Aem fi/c 6 I peeked at the blurbs for that system. It seems to me that it will only retard spark and reduce injection PW from what the OEM is trying for. That is far from the versatility that a MegaSquirt would offer. However, if it is free...

11-14-2018, 08:00 PM	#3
toggenburg Master Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains of Bedford, Virginia. Born once? Die twice. ------ Born twice? Die once. Posts: 3,585 2001 SL1	Re: Aem fi/c 6 Quite an expensive system, and our cars already squeeze the fuel for 40+ mpg.

11-15-2018, 01:00 AM	#5
fetchitfido Super Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,142 fetchitfido's Photos 2001 SC2	Re: Aem fi/c 6 There's another, possibly cheaper option (well, not if the AEM was free...lol) that I can't remember the name of if you just want a useless piggyback system... OH! Apexi SAFC 2. Install guide with broken pictures: http://www.scottjsousa.com/tsn/articles/SAFCInstall.htm Looks like $150-$250 to purchase one on eBay, didn't check far enough to see if those are 'new' prices or 'used'. If going for FI or NOS in the future, a piggyback system really isn't enough so if you're going to purchase anything right now for tuning go for the Megasquirt and save time/money down the road.

11-15-2018, 10:27 AM	#7
fetchitfido Super Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,142 fetchitfido's Photos 2001 SC2	Re: Aem fi/c 6 Probably little to nothing on it here on SaturnFans, but sixthsphere.com has TONS of info. example: https://sixthsphere.com/showthread.p...iagram-How-tos The cost of MegaSquirt really depends on what you want it to control...fuel only is pretty cheap, fuel & spark is really all that's required and medium priced...full on PCM replacement is rather pricey (though, I believe it's still under $700 fully assembled).

11-15-2018, 02:28 PM	#8
billr Master Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6,571	Re: Aem fi/c 6 Is the SL1 a manual trans or auto (TAAT)? I always recommend the MS3 "kit", you get all the available features, or easy upgrade path to them, at only slight increase in cost. Oops... I just realized you have also been posting on the MS forum. A lot of this has already been "asked and answered". Sorry for the redundancy.

11-15-2018, 02:45 PM	#9
billr Master Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6,571	Re: Aem fi/c 6 I will add, however, that you are going to have to control both fuel and spark, "fuel only" isn't an option. Also note that you may well have to do a lot of re-tuning if you start with one system and then migrate to another (as opposed to upgrading from one MS to another). You can get the AEM for free, but what about the turbo? Does that all come for free, including the new exhaust and intake plumbing? Tuning an install is probably not free either, even if you do it on the street and only have to pay for gas. My point is that the initial cost of the MS is probably not the most significant in the overall project. And, the help you can get from the MS community is "priceless". Ask AEM for schematics of their boards or source-code for the ECU program, see what they offer...

11-16-2018, 02:15 PM	#12
RobertGary1 Master Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sacramento Posts: 4,348 RobertGary1's Photos 1996 SC2 2006 VUE 3.5L	Re: Aem fi/c 6 It’s interesting they sell this. Is it legal to sell in some states? Here it’s certainly not here since any aftermarket parts that could effect emissions must be approved by the state. -Robert

11-16-2018, 04:03 PM	#13
billr Master Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 6,571	Re: Aem fi/c 6 OK, my mistake in assuming the "forced induction" would be a turbo. But is the IHI blower free? I think my point about costs is still relevant. Post more questions on the MS forum, you will get endless help there. We only responded to your initial post as well as possible.

11-16-2018, 06:22 PM	#14
fdryer Super Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 45,658 fdryer's Photos 2003 L-Series 3.0L Sedan	Re: Aem fi/c 6 "IHI screw type charge from the mazda millenia s" is probably a roots type belt driven supercharger. Forced induction can be either turbo or super charger.

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