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Old 04-22-2006, 07:35 PM   #1
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Quick question before im going to the auto shop (come on i just spent a ton of money at mall lol, cant afford to not buy something for my car too!)

I am going to take off some of the panels in the car tonight and sand them to see how they look painted black. My question is, there are many varities of sand paper/sand sponges, etc.

So, can I get a primng sand sponge? Do I need to wet sand? Should i wipe down the plastic with alchol first to remove some of the "oily type base" and then sand? Wash the plastic after wards? Im going with a can of Krylon Plastic paint, do I need to get a primer also? Primer made just for plastic?

How bad will the sanding affect my texture?

Anyone have tips besides a slow even spray and leave it flat to prevent drips? Im kind of doing this in the dark because its cool out and I cant take the heat right now...

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Old 04-22-2006, 07:40 PM   #2
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Quick question before im going to the auto shop (come on i just spent a ton of money at mall lol, cant afford to not buy something for my car too!)

I am going to take off some of the panels in the car tonight and sand them to see how they look painted black. My question is, there are many varities of sand paper/sand sponges, etc.

So, can I get a primng sand sponge? Do I need to wet sand? Should i wipe down the plastic with alchol first to remove some of the "oily type base" and then sand? Wash the plastic after wards? Im going with a can of Krylon Plastic paint, do I need to get a primer also? Primer made just for plastic?

How bad will the sanding affect my texture?

Anyone have tips besides a slow even spray and leave it flat to prevent drips? Im kind of doing this in the dark because its cool out and I cant take the heat right now...

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Old 04-22-2006, 07:48 PM   #3
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Default Re: painting /priming the plastic

i love how you raped your shift key while typing, green!

i asked a similar question, and yes you have to use a primer that is plastic-friendly because most primers eat plastic.

why dont you do it the easier/cheaper way and just get a roll of vinyl "skinz" stuff and just cover the entire panel with that to see how it looks, then remove it when you do in fact, paint it?
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Old 04-22-2006, 07:49 PM   #4
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Default Re: painting /priming the plastic

Im sorry! I meant to clarify....

Its the panels inside the car, the fuse panel, drivers side kick panel and I believe the console is what I am going to do tonight...

I didnt mean to mean the outside panel, I would never do those myself, I have a buddy who will do those in exchange for some food and beer and a bit of money...

Is the skins for inside or outside?

Im doing the INSIDE, sorry for confusion.....
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Old 04-22-2006, 07:51 PM   #5
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Default Re: painting /priming the plastic

OH that changes everything.. all you gotta do is use a little bit of adhesion promoter (or primer) and then use spray paint. If you want to use Krylon Fusion, you dont need a primer, just use clear coat when you're done
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Old 04-22-2006, 07:52 PM   #6
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Saturn S-Series are finished with a basecoat/clearcoat paint system. it consists of an immersion primer on all steel and space frame components, a spray-on primer on all composite panels, and a high solid waterborne basecoat and catalyzed urethane clearcoat.

edit: I just read that you meant the inside bits.

Saturn does not recommend painting soft PVC parts. Rigid or hard ABS and PC plastics require no primer. Conventional interior acrylic lacquers adhere satisfactorily. 1. wash the part with mild soap and warm solution to remove any waterborne contaminants. 2. rinse the part thoroughly with clean fresh warm water and dry off. 3. wash entire panel with PPG D846 multi-prep cleaner or equivalent to remove any surface contaminants. 4. thoroughly dry the panel before the multi-prep cleaner evaporates.
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Old 04-22-2006, 07:56 PM   #7
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xsaturnx-Im going to have to use something though, because I tried one panel earlier and the paint did not adhere well. Its a semigloss black, I dont want high gloss but I dont want a flat color either...

How well does that adheision promoter work? have you personally used it and it worked fine? I dont have a problem with doing it the "right" way to make sure its done right. I am eventually going to do whole car black inside with dark tint so I want it all to look good. I have painted lots of things before, including a plastic little tykes thing, but this plastic is totally different...
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Im sorry! I meant to clarify....

Its the panels inside the car, the fuse panel, drivers side kick panel and I believe the console is what I am going to do tonight...

I didnt mean to mean the outside panel, I would never do those myself, I have a buddy who will do those in exchange for some food and beer and a bit of money...

Is the skins for inside or outside?

Im doing the INSIDE, sorry for confusion.....
Use simple green or other good cleaner to remove any buildup that would make the paint not stick. There are a few good posts where people have succesfully dyed interior parts. You may want to consider that option. Paint has a bad habit of chipping and peeling and not covering well on interior panels. It may look really bad and then you are stuck with it.

Why would you want black interior in Florida??
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Old 04-22-2006, 08:00 PM   #9
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I cannot use a stripper to strip it? I dont know if I am fond of the dyes honestly...

Because I am psycho??? Nah, I hate the tan inside, it looks really crappy with the car and because my seats are all black now it looks even worse...
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RalliArt16 used adhesion promoter on his wheels before clearcoating them. Its basically a clear primer thats safe for everything.
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Old 04-22-2006, 08:26 PM   #11
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hey goldie... go to walmart in the HOUSE paint section where they have all the spray cans... look for the BLUE can(can't remember the name brand) and find one with EQUIPMENT GRAY (PRIMER) on the label... wipe down the interior (or exterior, it works just the same) with some alcohol or paint thinner... then shoot it with that primer.... let it sit for a few minutes and it will turn dull... then shoot your color... you'll like the results...

don't listen to the bs about flexible panel and crap... our WHOLE saturn is painted with spray cans..... YEAH, spray cans... unless you look real damn close you cannot tell that it has been... I've kicked the crap outta the saturn and NONE of the paint has flaked off yet....

So.... FLEXIBLE AGENTS MY ASS!!!

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CindyandLee, i think that because the paint on your car isnt that old, it didnt get a chance to chip. The flex agents keep it from chipping in the years to come.
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it's 1995 factory paint underneath the green... BUT most of the gold was taken off the car... some parts of the car have been painted for about 2 months now... we painted the car as money permitted....

oh yeah, we painted with CERAMIC engine paint... so i doubt it will ever chip... if it does it'll chip in a sheet not just small spots....

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you didnt take the panels off when you painted it, did you? i see a LOT of overspray, but thats no biggie, just get a clay bar and it'll take off the over easily.
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hell no... no panels removed... too much work are you crazy?? lol

we just taped off the emblems and windows and painted...

not worried about the overspray right now... we just driving it and enjoying the looks we get right now... when i actually get back to work and start making some money we gonna hit the entire car with about 1000 grit paper and spray it again.... then we gonna clear coat it, maybe with some sort of pearl...

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Thanks Lee,

I bought that stuff, adhesive promoter, 120 sand paper, a sanding tool thingamabob, gloss finish and black gloss.

Tomorrow will be fun fun fun! i have to do some major school work first so the car might not get done yet.
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120 grit is probably too much... i would use 1000 grit or maybe even 2000 if all you are doing is prepping the surface. 120 will deeeeeply scratch the plastic, so unless you are planning on removing the texture, go with something higher.
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Well I cheated...

I sprayed primer on it, the sprayed the krylon fusion on it. IT turned out ok I guess. Im not sure I want the high gloss that it has though...

I think I will try the flat and then spray with gloss to see if that looks better. Ill take pictures later tonight.
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hell no... no panels removed... too much work are you crazy??
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I've used Krylon Fusion and can't say much about it. Except for PRIME FIRST! The instructions are retarded and it will end up scraping off really easy if you don't prime.

On another hand, I saw this thing on TV (as 3 of my 12 channels are infomercials) about this spray gun that is electronic and has very little overspray. I can't remember what it was called but it seemed to do a pretty good job and might work well for painting interior panels. Anybody know what I'm talkin about?
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