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erikbarrett85 08-16-2022 10:49 PM

2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
The lilt was the first thing I noticed while I was merging on the highway a couple weeks ago. Sweeping turns to the left make the vehicle kind of tip, as if it were resting on the frame instead of one solid unit. It doesn't feel like the wheel hub etc is going to snap off, which happened to me in a different vehicle, this feels a bit higher up. After noticing that and while waiting to get a slot with my mechanic I noticed that if I shift fast it sometimes feels like the wheel is being jerked ever so slightly. Only ever going into third or fourth but never both regardless of if I'm accelerating at the same rate. It makes some clunks that feel like they are somewhere in the middle of the car or maybe a little bit to the right. My mechanic drove it and noticed that if you kind of swerve back and forth at any speed that when you tug the wheel to the left it doesn't seem to want to respond right away. If you turn towards the right it doesn't do that or at least it responds noticeably faster. But my mechanic had it on the lift and said there was very little he could notice that was wrong let alone would be causing the noise and flop... I'm wondering if it's something going from the steering column into whatever else but it's definitely an area of the car I don't know a ton about. My mechanic also said it could be the struts but the noise definitely doesn't seem to be coming from those areas and it just doesn't feel like a bad strut.

Thank you if you made it this far lol

billr 08-17-2022 12:15 AM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
What you describe sounds gross enough that 15 minutes of visual inspection should have resulted in better diagnosis. I'm worried your mechanic isn't proficient with suspension systems, and that you may be heading into a parts-swapping witch hunt.

erikbarrett85 08-17-2022 10:19 AM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
I'm no car expert that's for sure, I expected it to be one of I don't know quite a many of things.. when I did my last oil change I checked everything and all the stuff I could think of was completely tight. Called my dad who knows more than me, he gave me a different idea and I checked that out but all the other stuff he mentioned I had already checked. So I called my mechanic who I've known for 30 years and who isn't a master but is incredibly proficient in most systems. Him and his brother who is also been at the shop for 30 years couldn't identify exactly what it was. But they also hear and felt the problem. So he wants to get two people one of whom is retired and both of whom are considered complete Master mechanics to take a look at it next week. I thought maybe there could be something someone here has experienced that could at least narrow some of this down. As I said if it's the struts or part of the steering column it's quite a bit of work to even diagnose because we have to take so much apart, so it'd be great if somebody here had an idea. I understand and appreciate your concern with how this could go but this is not someone with no knowledge. And with that said neither am i, he left it up on the lift so that I could look at everything I know enough about cars to know what isn't isn't supposed to be how it is and nothing seemed to be out of place, no bushing bearing joint rod or arm was even remotely loose enough to be causing this.

billr 08-17-2022 11:52 AM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
Okay, good luck. Please keep us advised as to what you find is the problem.

erikbarrett85 08-17-2022 11:56 AM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
If I get it sorted I'll DEFINITELY report on it as thoroughly as I can. It's weird, figured someone would have had the same problem but there's nothing on Google or in the forums.

erikbarrett85 08-18-2022 09:05 AM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
After some of the potential problems were eliminated it seems even more likely that the problem is something to do with the steering, steering column or whatever it all connects to to actually turn the car it's a part of vehicles I don't know much about that's for sure.

billr 08-18-2022 10:58 AM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
I can't think of any way the steering rack or column could cause the car to lean/tip/sway, whatever you want to call it.

erikbarrett85 08-18-2022 12:07 PM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
I guess I just meant steering system not the column. It could be the steering shaft, maybe in combination w struts. But based on the sound and how it responds, reading about steering shaft failure sounds like part of what I'm experiencing. The tilt could be something different, the only 2 areas that couldn't be fully checked were the steering systems from the column until you get to all the rods n arms etc etc, and the struts. Everything else is exactly as one would expect

billr 08-18-2022 12:29 PM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
Okay, I'll clarify, too. Nothing in the steering, [I][B]any[/B][/I] of the parts that control right/left pointing of the wheels, will cause "tip". That has to be in the suspension parts, like struts, knuckles, control arms, sway-bar. I have never had to fuss with the steering, but it looks to me like getting to the rack or column is not exactly easy. Don't be eager to dive into the rack/column until the cause of the "tip" is corrected.

Signmaster 08-19-2022 06:43 PM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
[QUOTE=erikbarrett85;2376446]I guess I just meant steering system not the column. It could be the steering shaft, maybe in combination w struts. But based on the sound and how it responds, reading about steering shaft failure sounds like part of what I'm experiencing. The tilt could be something different, the only 2 areas that couldn't be fully checked were the steering systems from the column until you get to all the rods n arms etc etc, and the struts. Everything else is exactly as one would expect[/QUOTE]

From the sounds of things, what couldn't be fully checked is really what needs to be checked.

I agree with Billr that the tilting is likely caused by stut, sway bar, or knuckle problems. Check closely for a broken strut sping as well as the mounts while you're in there.

If that seems to check out, remove the tie rod ends from the knuckle and then check function of both the column and rack assembly when not attached to the hub/knuckle of the wheel. The same process frees up the wheel side to check for binding or problems in that area.


This video will show what to do so the checks can be made. Just don't disconnect the rack unless it's proven to be the problem.

[URL="https://youtu.be/1KMaV1kFdzk"]Another great Richpin video[/URL]

hholbein 08-22-2022 03:53 PM

Re: 2001 SC2 lilting while turning at 40ish and above
 
A number of folks here have seen corrosion issues with swaybar ends over the years, especially with the machined ends that are mated with the bar/tubes. From the symptoms, I'd give that very careful attention both loaded & unloaded. It could be that one end is still in place but loose.


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