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Old 02-07-2007, 11:32 AM   #41
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He-he I am biased, but since you brought up MAZDA , if you drove a Mazda 3 hatchback you wouldn't make it to the Saturn dealer for an Astra, its that damn good!

But I can understand the exchange rate issues... I am wondering once US production starts if there will be a price drop for that model year? Prolly the 09 or 2010...
The Mazda 3 is a great car and the reviews both here and in the UK confirm that. However the Astra sells very well in Europe, even for a time being the best selling compact (beating out the traditional top seller - VW Golf). The Astra reviews have also been pretty good so Saturn have a very competitive car in the Astra. We can argue about Astra vs Mazda 3 but it would be fair to say these are the best two standard compacts on the market (I am excluding GTi, R32, MazdaSpeed 3 etc as these are much more performance orientated).

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Old 02-07-2007, 11:56 AM   #42
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He-he I am biased, but since you brought up MAZDA , if you drove a Mazda 3 hatchback you wouldn't make it to the Saturn dealer for an Astra, its that damn good!
To you. Yes, I'd still make it to the Saturn retailer cuz the 3 is too small inside for me, especially for an overpriced Ford Focus. And only a couple of us have driven the Astra so that comment doesn't mean anything since none of the rest of us can compare the Mazda to the Astra yet. Jeez.

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Old 02-07-2007, 07:57 PM   #43
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To you. Yes, I'd still make it to the Saturn retailer cuz the 3 is too small inside for me, especially for an overpriced Ford Focus. And only a couple of us have driven the Astra so that comment doesn't mean anything since none of the rest of us can compare the Mazda to the Astra yet. Jeez.
Ummm if you have ANY car knowledge you will know the Focus is nothing like driving a 3. NOTHING LIKE IT!

And you are correct in saying my comment was premature, but soon we will all be able to give the Astra a spin ,and then a true comparison of the Astra vs the 3 can be made. I personally was considering an Astra, as I really like the style of the exterior, not so much the interior, and if it was closer to ion prices are today, but with that not happening with the exchange rate for the euro, so I'd rather get more vehicle for my money in a new 08 Vue made in North America.

I personally find the 3 to be quite roomy inside, but again thats a personal thing. I'm 6'0 close to 280lbs. not a little guy.

And in regards to the comment that the car sells well in Europe ,of course it will, it comes in around 10 different varieties, compared to Mazda 3 and its 4-5 varieties. It also looks a little better than the Mazda 3 is some aspects, and since its built in europe and not an import it should sell better there!

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Old 02-07-2007, 08:01 PM   #44
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Ummm if you have ANY car knowledge you will know the Focus is nothing like driving a 3. NOTHING LIKE IT!

And you are correct in saying my comment was premature, but soon we will all be able to give the Astra a spin, and then a true comparison of the Astra vs the 3 can be made.

I personally find the 3 to be quite roomy inside, but again thats a personal thing.
I didn't say it drove like the Focus, I said it was an overpriced Focus. Yes, the original Focus isn't the basis for the 3, but the UK Focus is.

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Old 02-07-2007, 08:13 PM   #45
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I didn't say it drove like the Focus, I said it was an overpriced Focus. Yes, the original Focus isn't the basis for the 3, but the UK Focus is.
WELL THEN SAY UK FOCUS! lol... I could almost accept it being called an overpriced UK focus, On that aspect, I could agree as the UK focus is a really decent car from what I have read. The US focus has always been lackluster.

Sorry I got snappy...

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The Astra sold near 500,000 in the Europe (more than Camry sells in the US) against a huge number of competitors including the excellent Focus, Mazda 3, VW Golf, BMW 1 series, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Renault Megane, Citroen C4, Peugeot 307 etc (you get the idea). It didn`t get these sales by being bad in any area. The Mazda 3 is certainly the other car in the compact class that competes on looks, driving style etc.

It is true the Astra is available in more body styles than the Mazda (most compacts are) but the wagon, sedan and convertible are not big sellers. The 3 and 5 door are where the sales are so it is fair to compare against Mazda 3 sales.

Bottom line it is nice to have some good quality compact cars to choose from.

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Old 02-08-2007, 01:38 PM   #47
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The thing looks like a cross between a Pontiac Vibe and a Dodge Caliber. Good grief. Couldn't they come up with something original? It's as if the styling department said, "Aw, heck, we can't come up with anything. Let's just make it look like a Mazda/Kia/Toyota/Honda/Ford Focus/Hyundai/Nissan/Dodge...." If you took off the Saturn logo, there would be virtually no way to know what kind of car this is.

The Chevrolet HHR is distinctive. So are the Mini Cooper, VW Beetle and Scion xB, to name a few. Why couldn't the Astra be distinctive?

Who gives the green light to these awful cookie-cutter designs? Bob Lutz?

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Old 02-08-2007, 01:52 PM   #48
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The thing looks like a cross between a Pontiac Vibe and a Dodge Caliber. Good grief. Couldn't they come up with something original? It's as if the styling department said, "Aw, heck, we can't come up with anything. Let's just make it look like a Mazda/Kia/Toyota/Honda/Ford Focus/Hyundai/Nissan/Dodge...." If you took the Saturn logo off, there would be virtually no way to know what kind of car this is.

The Chevrolet HHR is distinctive. So are the Mini Cooper, VW Beetle and Scion xB, to name a few. Why couldn't the Astra be distinctive?

Who gives the green light to these awful cookie-cutter designs? Bob Lutz?
The 5-door doesn't look so bad (it kind of reminds me a liitle bit of the SW2) but the 3-door is butt-ugly.

Still waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much chrome...What's the obsession for all that chrome anyway? It makes the whole line look gawdy.

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The thing looks like a cross between a Pontiac Vibe and a Dodge Caliber. Good grief. Couldn't they come up with something original? It's as if the styling department said, "Aw, heck, we can't come up with anything. Let's just make it look like a Mazda/Kia/Toyota/Honda/Ford Focus/Hyundai/Nissan/Dodge...." If you took the Saturn logo off, there would be virtually no way to know what kind of car this is.

The Chevrolet HHR is distinctive. So are the Mini Cooper, VW Beetle and Scion xB, to name a few. Why couldn't the Astra be distinctive?

Who gives the green light to these awful cookie-cutter designs? Bob Lutz?
That's funny. The Astra was designed in 2000. So, who copied who?

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That's funny. The Astra was designed in 2000. So, who copied who?
And it's a 2008 model? Do they still have a styling department? What have they been doing the past seven or eight years? Jeez...

Don't tell me - I'll bet they're now working on the 2015 model, and it'll look like a revamped Ford Aspire.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:20 PM   #51
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And it's a 2008 model? Do they still have a styling department? What have they been doing the past seven or eight years? Jeez...

Don't tell me - I'll bet they're now working on the 2015 model, and it'll look like a revamped Ford Aspire.
No, they're working on the 2010 model, due in '09, actually. You couldn't get the Astra here until this year, so it's not like it's old to the U.S.. My bad, by the way, the current Astra came out in '04, not '00, so it's only 4 years old.

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Old 02-08-2007, 03:59 PM   #52
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Doesn't matter on the years it took. It still is a nice looking car in my opinion. Just goes to show you, that you can't please everyone. I can't wait to get my hands on one!

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Old 02-08-2007, 04:07 PM   #53
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No, they're working on the 2010 model, due in '09, actually. You couldn't get the Astra here until this year, so it's not like it's old to the U.S.. My bad, by the way, the current Astra came out in '04, not '00, so it's only 4 years old.

Okay, fair enough. The Astra name is new to the U.S.

It's a subjective thing, but I'm sick to death of all these look-alike, jellybean shaped cars. There's no more than a handful out there that you wouldn't mistake for anything else - Ford Mustang, Chrysler 300, the butt-ugly Honda Element, the ones I mentioned above and maybe a couple others - but the vast majority of the rest are utterly generic and interchangeable. I don't see any excuse for it other than lack of imagination on the part of stylists. I'd swear there is one "design center" somewhere, and all the auto companies buy their designs from them, make subtle tweaks to the front and rear, and then slap on their own logos. Voila!! An "all new" car!

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Okay, fair enough. The Astra name is new to the U.S.

It's a subjective thing, but I'm sick to death of all these look-alike, jellybean shaped cars. There's no more than a handful out there that you wouldn't mistake for anything else - Ford Mustang, Chrysler 300, the butt-ugly Honda Element, the ones I mentioned above and maybe a couple others - but the vast majority of the rest are utterly generic and interchangeable. I don't see any excuse for it other than lack of imagination on the part of stylists. I'd swear there is one "design center" somewhere, and all the auto companies buy their designs from them, make subtle tweaks to the front and rear, and then slap on their own logos. Voila!! An "all new" car!
That's a pretty edgy jellybean....looks more like a Toblerone bar to me. If you think the Astra is bland, Toyota must be as spicy as dishwater to you.

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That's a pretty edgy jellybean....looks more like a Toblerone bar to me. If you think the Astra is bland, Toyota must be as spicy as dishwater to you.
You're not kidding. Toyota, Kia and Honda are probably the worst offenders, IMHO.

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Corvair - the design you state as liking are all retro (HHR, Mini etc) and sometimes retro doesn`t lastlong, just ask Chrysler with the PT Cruiser which was a big hit then fades away. Or ask VW with the Bettle which was a hit in 1999/2000 and now is a minor seller (virtually dead in Europe).

BMW comes up with original design - just look at the controversy around the Bangle design. Love it or hate it, it is different. I would say the Audi TT is different, the Pontiac G8 just announced is a great design. So I would disagree with you that all cars look the same.

Even Toyota did something different with Scion and the FJ Cruiser. As you have seen from responses before you cannot please all the people all the time. Some love retro, some love modern and some love regular.

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Corvair - the design you state as liking are all retro (HHR, Mini etc) and sometimes retro doesn`t lastlong, just ask Chrysler with the PT Cruiser which was a big hit then fades away. Or ask VW with the Bettle which was a hit in 1999/2000 and now is a minor seller (virtually dead in Europe).

BMW comes up with original design - just look at the controversy around the Bangle design. Love it or hate it, it is different. I would say the Audi TT is different, the Pontiac G8 just announced is a great design. So I would disagree with you that all cars look the same.

Even Toyota did something different with Scion and the FJ Cruiser. As you have seen from responses before you cannot please all the people all the time. Some love retro, some love modern and some love regular.
Guy, you are right, I'm a big fan of the retro look. But you mention a car like the PT - that design is, what, eight years old now? Of course it's cooled off. My question is why the heck hasn't Chrysler done anything with it since then? Yes, it's old hat now, but it was very different when it was introduced.

Also, I didn't say that all cars look the same, only about 90% of them. I pointed out some that have their own distinctive look, including the Scion (see my earlier post). I'm not familiar with some of the ones you mentioned, but if they're different that's great! It's about time.

I will confess that I miss the days when cars were redesigned every single year (for instance, Chevrolet from '56 to '59 was revamped four times - the good old days, before I was born). I'm also aware that the industry has evolved drastically in the last 30~40 years, and manufacturers can't afford to revise their designs every year. Still, I don't see any reason for the mind-numbingly dull cars all over the road.

(One more example, if I may: The Ford Five Hundred and the Volkswagen Passat. Did those two come off the same drawing board?? Check it out the next time you see them together. It's ridiculous.)

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There's a link to an Edmunds video of the Astra on this page:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...id=ga11335701#

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The Astra sold near 500,000 in the Europe (more than Camry sells in the US) against a huge number of competitors including the excellent Focus, Mazda 3, VW Golf, BMW 1 series, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Renault Megane, Citroen C4, Peugeot 307 etc (you get the idea). It didn`t get these sales by being bad in any area. The Mazda 3 is certainly the other car in the compact class that competes on looks, driving style etc.

It is true the Astra is available in more body styles than the Mazda (most compacts are) but the wagon, sedan and convertible are not big sellers. The 3 and 5 door are where the sales are so it is fair to compare against Mazda 3 sales.

Bottom line it is nice to have some good quality compact cars to choose from.
Yet GM still feels the need to muck with it before offering it up in the US.

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Let's hope Saturn/GM learned something from the L-Series and they don't Americanize the Astra

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