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Old 01-14-2007, 02:20 PM   #1
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Mad Could Lack of Bluetooth hurt sales

I have now seen both the Acadia and Outlook and impressed with both but the lack of bluetooth could again send me as well as others looking other places.

States are cracking down on driving while using a cell phone. BT along with a NAV is the way to go. Onstar is a extra bill that most people won't buy into over the long haul.

Cell phones already now offer some NAV capabilities. I personally hate the small screen but have used this option on my cell.

Its ashame that the Caddy STS now is the only GM car that is BT capable.

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Old 01-14-2007, 03:50 PM   #2
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IMO GM is holding back trying to support OnStar hands free dialing.

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Old 01-14-2007, 05:29 PM   #3
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Onstar uses Verizon's network. So if you happen to have Verizon, you can add your Onstar equipped vehicle as a "phone" on a Family Share plan, and share the minutes with your other phone(s).

See: http://www.vzwshop.com/onstar/

But I totally agree, I would love it if you could just use any mobile from any carrier with Bluetooth (and I use Verizon). I think (hope) that sooner or later they'll be forced to find a way to offer Bluetooth capability alongside/integrated with Onstar.

I love Onstar. I will never buy another new vehicle without it. I recommend it to everyone I possibly can. But GM using it as an excuse to not offer other features does not sit well with me. Navigation? - But, but, but we have Onstar Turn-by-turn! Bluetooth? - But, but, but we have Onstar Handsfree calling! It may be a practical alternative for some people. It may actully work well. But if people want a vehicle with Nav and/or BT, a lot of them will go elsewhere. So, to answer your question, yes- I think it definitely does hurt sales somewhat, and will increasingly do so as time goes by.

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Old 01-14-2007, 09:48 PM   #4
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Real world here.. not just car guys on a car forum... we got our first outlook just before Christmas... still waiting for more to ship in... but that's ok... of all the customers I have had come in looking at it I have not had a single person ask if it had bluetooth.... and only about 10% of the people looking at the Outlook have asked if it comes with nav.... (our first one is a White AWD XE with roof rails, XM, and power seat), So honestly from the real world view of a salesman I don't think it will matter that much.... then again the people looking for bluetooth may be researching it online and not even coming in the door because they already know it doesn't have it.... dunno...

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Old 01-14-2007, 11:33 PM   #5
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Onstar as long as it is free is fine. I wouldn't pay for it.

If it doesn't have Blue tooth, I won't buy...........

Maybe a CX-9??????

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Old 01-15-2007, 12:17 AM   #6
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Since buying our Tahoe that has OnStar (that we pay for) my wife will not have another vehicle with out it. We have young children and it's an added reassurance for her & me. She has had to use OnStar a few times (kids locked the keys in the truck while out shopping & reported an accident in an unfamiliar city). To her that right there sealed the deal for her. So the added monthly expense is worth it to us.

Bluetooth isn't a deal breaker for us. We both have Bluetooth earpieces and she uses the hands free phone in her truck from time to time if need be. Plus the reception with the OnStar phone is 100x's better then any cell phone.

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Old 01-15-2007, 01:20 AM   #7
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Guys

What do you all think of products like the one below claiming?

-ONSTAR DIALING UNLOCK

-BLUETOOTH FUNCTIONS UNLOCKED ON EQUIPPED VEHICLES

http://www.coastaletech.com/gmlockpick3.htm

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Old 01-15-2007, 01:33 AM   #8
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Default Re: Could Lack of Bluetooth hurt sales

The lack of Bluetooth does bother me, but not enough to not buy one. It is, however, the reason I will not buy the factory GPS and stay with the base stereo instead of buying an upgrade. Someone posted a link in the alternate GPS thread to a Pioneer system that will do just about anything (including Sirius or XM integration, streaming Bluetooth, nav and a backup camera) that will cost less than 2K installed. Yes, that's a LOT of $, but it costs less than the OEM nav and does a lot more. If Bluetooth were an option on the up level stereo, I'd buy it.

I agree with the salesman who said the average buyer may not care about the Bluetooth integration, but folks who are interested in an $880 advanced audio system or a $2,145 nav system might. I know the nav systems, up level stereos and electronics packages are areas that have quite a bit of profit. Again, I can only speak for myself, but GM lost about 3K from me in large part because of the lack of Bluetooth.

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Old 01-15-2007, 01:38 AM   #9
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The lack of bluetooth really had me ticked off, but it wasn't enough to overcome my lust for the new Lambdas. We pulled the trigger on a Carbon Black SLT Acadia. The link to Coastal Tech totally has me intrigued, THAT would be amazing if it works. They seem legit.

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Old 01-15-2007, 11:21 AM   #10
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Onstar as long as it is free is fine. I wouldn't pay for it.

If it doesn't have Blue tooth, I won't buy...........

Maybe a CX-9??????
I used to think that way, back when Onstar first came out, and before I had a wife and kids.



Amazing how $200/year doesn't seem like all that much when your family's lives are involved.

If I have to wait till I get there to make a call (vs BT handsfree), or use a BT headset for my mobile- I'm ok with that.

Worrying about whether my family can get help if the worst should happen- not so much.

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Old 01-17-2007, 08:12 AM   #11
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It's amazing to me that people (in general) don't mind paying $60-200/month for a cellphone plan, $40/month for broadband internet, or $30/month for a land line, but find $16/month for OnStar absurd.

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Old 01-17-2007, 09:57 AM   #12
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I don't think most people have a problem paying 16 bucks, they just don't want to have to pay extra for another cellphone plan. The is 2007. Ford just unveiled the Sync platform. Mazda has bluetooth standard in the new CX-9. Most other companies like Chrysler have offered bluetooth for years.

I have a cellphone, and it should work in my car.

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Old 01-19-2007, 09:52 AM   #13
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I don't think most people have a problem paying 16 bucks, they just don't want to have to pay extra for another cellphone plan. The is 2007. Ford just unveiled the Sync platform. Mazda has bluetooth standard in the new CX-9. Most other companies like Chrysler have offered bluetooth for years.

I have a cellphone, and it should work in my car.
If you have Verizon you can use your plan with OnStar. To be honest I much rather use my bluetooth earpiece. Esp if I have others in the vehicle (which is all the time as I have children) and don't want them to hear the call or the person I am speaking too to hear my children.

So no bluetooth will not change my mind on a vehicle I buy or not. But, OnStar is a deal breaker 100% as my wife & children are more important then bluetooth capable or not.

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Old 01-19-2007, 09:54 AM   #14
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I used to think that way, back when Onstar first came out, and before I had a wife and kids.



Amazing how $200/year doesn't seem like all that much when your family's lives are involved.

If I have to wait till I get there to make a call (vs BT handsfree), or use a BT headset for my mobile- I'm ok with that.

Worrying about whether my family can get help if the worst should happen- not so much.
That is the reason right there that my wife has said she will never own another vehicle without OnStar. She loves the added feeling of protection in her Tahoe and has said many times that it is a deal breaker for her. So $200 a year is chump change if it saves my families lives in our time of need.

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Old 01-20-2007, 02:03 PM   #15
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It's amazing to me that people (in general) don't mind paying $60-200/month for a cellphone plan, $40/month for broadband internet, or $30/month for a land line, but find $16/month for OnStar absurd.
I'm one of those who don't want to pay a penny more. I have xm radio and feel that that cost should go away. Having said that, I still want NAV that are bluetooth where i can get call and also have direction to where i want to go. xm is nice because we travel by car alot.

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Old 01-20-2007, 07:54 PM   #16
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If you have Verizon you can use your plan with OnStar.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but don't you have to add your car to your plan like it was a family member (own phone #)? So.. around $10 a month extra?

Much different from being able to just piggyback on your existing phone and plan.

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Old 01-21-2007, 01:44 AM   #17
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Guys

What do you all think of products like the one below claiming?

-ONSTAR DIALING UNLOCK

-BLUETOOTH FUNCTIONS UNLOCKED ON EQUIPPED VEHICLES

http://www.coastaletech.com/gmlockpick3.htm

Jerry
How come no one commented on my post??

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How come no one commented on my post??
Actually, that's nothing really new and people in the Yukon/Tahoe, etc. crowd have been using such things for years. Nice product, nonetheless, but that's mainly to unlock Nav functions while in motion. Not really Bluetooth related, unless as stated, the vehicle has that already--which is odd to say, because no current GM's you'd use this with are so equipped.

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Old 01-28-2007, 02:31 PM   #19
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and here I was getting excited about the Outlook / Acadia being one of the few SUVs out there with memory seats...I come to hear people think its a corporate strategy to not do bluetooth? ggggaaaarrrrr.


So is the mazda CX-9 the only one out there with both memory seats & bluetooth?????

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and here I was getting excited about the Outlook / Acadia being one of the few SUVs out there with memory seats...I come to hear people think its a corporate strategy to not do bluetooth? ggggaaaarrrrr.


So is the mazda CX-9 the only one out there with both memory seats & bluetooth?????
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Question for you have you had bluetooth in a car? Well I have in my Lexus cars. Yeah its cool, but to be honest I would not pass on a car if thats the ONLY option it does not have. Bluetooth in the begining is cool, but the novelty wears off fairly quick. No there is suposidly a hack that can be done to the GM SUV to add bluetooth thru the OnStar system. I will look into it once I get my Enclave.

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