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Old 09-01-2009, 08:45 AM   #81
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Did not see anything in this thread about the EGR valves. Will one from a 2000 fit on a '97?

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Old 09-01-2009, 09:38 AM   #82
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Did not see anything in this thread about the EGR valves. Will one from a 2000 fit on a '97?
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SOHC and DOHC:
'91-'93 and 1/2 '94 are vacuum and will not fit any other year heads.
1/2 '94 - '02 are Electronic EGR's. They will fit: '95-'02 heads Plug and Play, '91-'94 heads with an EGR Adapter Plate.

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Old 09-10-2009, 09:00 AM   #83
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There are 2 different Electric EGRs, they are not interchangeable. 95-99 are the same and 2000-2002 are the same but not interchangeable with each other.

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Old 10-04-2009, 02:33 PM   #84
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it's good too see that after years of being off this site and finally coming back, that there are still some people who have the "true grit" and where with all to do the right thing. sorry to learn about tsn site, but at least you saved some vital info for the rest of us.

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Old 11-16-2009, 09:17 PM   #85
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:40 PM   #86
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Timing chain covers for DOHC engines (info courtesy of Low Saturn, original post here):

1992-1998 will exchange. 1991 does not have the provision for the top engine mount.

1999-2002 will exchange. These covers have a narrower top than the 92-98 cars, due to a narrower head.

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When removing the donor cover, grab a two of the mounting bolts then cut the heads off when you get home.

When you go to install the new cover, screw the headless bolts into the top left and top right cover to head locations. You'll be using them as a hanger to hold the timing chain cover away from the head/block.

This way you can get the oil pump aligned with the crank snout without smearing the RTV everywhere. Once the pump is lined up, simply slide the cover towards the engine. Once you have a few bolts in, remove the headless bolts and replace them with the correct bolts.

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Old 12-30-2009, 08:54 AM   #87
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Hello everyone.

While there is some great information here, I'm wondering if someone can help me with a 99' SC2 DOHC problem. The engine threw a rod and put a nice size hole in the block below the 4th cylinder. I've also been told that engine is year specific. However, wondering if someone can help me with the following questions:

1) Would a SOHC engine from that same year work?
2) What engine (if any) from another year would also work (SOHC or DOHC)?
3) Additionally, if I can use a SOHC engine block, can I possibly use the DOHC head from my current 99' SC2 (assuming it wasn't damaged when the engine went?
4) What issues will I be facing with using my current 5 speed tranny with any of these scenarios?
5) Finally, what else might I need to consider?

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Old 12-30-2009, 11:58 AM   #88
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Hello everyone.

While there is some great information here, I'm wondering if someone can help me with a 99' SC2 DOHC problem. The engine threw a rod and put a nice size hole in the block below the 4th cylinder. I've also been told that engine is year specific. However, wondering if someone can help me with the following questions:

1) Would a SOHC engine from that same year work? Yes/No. Its not plug and play
2) What engine (if any) from another year would also work (SOHC or DOHC)? '99 -'02 DOHC
3) Additionally, if I can use a SOHC engine block, can I possibly use the DOHC head from my current 99' SC2 (assuming it wasn't damaged when the engine went? Yes. But its easier to just get another engine
4) What issues will I be facing with using my current 5 speed tranny with any of these scenarios? None if you stay with a DOHC.
5) Finally, what else might I need to consider?
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Old 12-31-2009, 08:02 AM   #89
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Thanks RC. Given the cost of these engines, I just want to verify my understanding.

So if I put in a DOHC engine from years ranging 00-02 to replace my 99' engine, it will work with the existing ECM and wiring harness? If the replacement engine is a long block, can I still use the bolt on accessories from my current engine too? If so, then in an overly simplified sense, it's pretty much a "plug and play" - drop in the engine, hook up the electricals, put in the fluids, and go?

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Old 12-31-2009, 12:35 PM   #90
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Thanks RC. Given the cost of these engines, I just want to verify my understanding.

So if I put in a DOHC engine from years ranging 00-02 to replace my 99' engine, it will work with the existing ECM and wiring harness? If the replacement engine is a long block, can I still use the bolt on accessories from my current engine too? If so, then in an overly simplified sense, it's pretty much a "plug and play" - drop in the engine, hook up the electricals, put in the fluids, and go?

Thanks again and have a Happy New Year!
Correct. Use your existing accesories (power steering/AC leave hooked up) and you can reuse your alternator and such. If going through all this work, may I suggest putting in a new thermostat and possibly water pump while you have the engine out of the car. Makes it much easier

A '99B engine will also work. The '99A engine has no area for the AIR system on the manifolds. Search AIR system (or p0410) to get some pictures of what I'm talking about (if you cant find a picture PM me and ill send you one). There are a few '99A (no Air system) but those are few and far between, so I don't think you have this engine and thus the matching PCM.

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Old 01-04-2010, 01:03 PM   #91
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Hi RC.

I don't know if I have an air pump or not, but will check it out. Is it located on top of the intake or exhaust manifold? Also, ironically, I had someone just email me about a 99' engine that he has for sale with 91K for $300. He asked me the same question as to whether or not I have an air pump on it. Any additional details on this is great appreciated.

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I have a 97 SC1 with a bad automatic tranny. I have a tranny out of a 2000 SL2 available to me to use. Will it bolt in? I've heard the DOHC and SOHC trannies are basically the same except for the final drive gear ratio is slightly different. Is this true? Thanks

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Old 01-07-2010, 04:58 PM   #93
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I have a 97 SC1 with a bad automatic tranny. I have a tranny out of a 2000 SL2 available to me to use. Will it bolt in? I've heard the DOHC and SOHC trannies are basically the same except for the final drive gear ratio is slightly different. Is this true? Thanks
Unfortunately they are the same on the outside. Internally they are different. Your SOHC PCM wont be able to control the DOHC tranny.

You need a SOHC (mp6) tranny from '94-'97. '98 may also work.

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Old 01-10-2010, 03:00 PM   #94
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Excellent resource! Thanks to all who share the info.

I just threw a rod in my '95 SL1/5sp with 180K. The body, interior and transmission are all in good condition so if I can just drop in a new engine for this commuter I'll keep it.

My searches here lead me to look for a 95-98 SOHC from a 5sp for the most trouble-free swap. I'm a pretty good wrench with air-cooled VWs and have the shop and tools but don't want to spend a lot of time or $$ on it.

What can I expect to spend on a decent engine from a salvage yard?

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On the SOHC 95-2002 will fit and function. There is no difference in teh engine between the automatic and manual. The closer the years match the less hassle. Go here and search for an engine then you can get a feel for price and the distance from you. It costs about $75.00 to ship an engine strapped to a pallet 250 miles or so.

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Depending on your location will determine the cost of an engine.

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Hey OldNuc,

Is it the same for a 99' DOHC engine, in that it will work with either a manual or automatic transmission from the same year? The reason why I'm asking is that you can tell by my previous recent posts, the engine in my son's 1999 SC2 (manual transmission) threw a rod and I have found another 99' engine from a car with an automatic transmission. Just want to make sure it will work fine with my current ECM and transmission.

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Is it the same for a 99' DOHC engine, in that it will work with either a manual or automatic transmission from the same year? The reason why I'm asking is that you can tell by my previous recent posts, the engine in my son's 1999 SC2 (manual transmission) threw a rod and I have found another 99' engine from a car with an automatic transmission. Just want to make sure it will work fine with my current ECM and transmission.

Thanks.
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I just wanted to say this guide is great, my 93 sl2 just threw the number 2 rod, and I found if you could find a 93-98 dohc engine in this area they all had 200k+ on them and were still $600+. I was a saturn tech until 99 and assumed with the redesign most everything would be incompatible on the newer engines, but the guide steered me to a better solution, though it doesn't say outright that the 99+ short block will interchange, a call to the guys I used to work with sorted that out.

I ended up using a 01 sohc engine with 100k on it that I found at a local salvage yard for $150. Stripped it down to the short block, swapped sensors over, re-ringed it and changed the bearings. Disassembled the head from the 93, threw all of the parts to be reused in the cuda for a few hours to get them clean, replaced the bent valves from the incident and changed the valve seals. Cleaned up the timing cover and threw in an oil pump kit.

The biggest surprise came during reassembly, when I went to assemble the timing components I found that the chain for the 93 wouldn't fit the crank sprocket on the 01, not that it's hard to swap sprockets, was just unexpected. Also unexpected, the guides that I picked up at advance auto were the same castings that we got from GM back at the saturn dealer, the aftermarket parts seem to have came a long way from the crap they were putting out in the 90's.

Overall, I'm extremely happy with the results, I have more or less a new engine in the saturn for under $600, combining a cheap newer sohc short block with the original head seems to be by far the best option(cost effective) if you've got the time and knowledge. The only thing I really noticed different is that it doesn't seem to rev as freely as it originally did, probably due to the heavier bottom end, but it does idle smoother.

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ok.. i was wondering, and you may have already mentioned it but to make sure i have a good answer, i have 91 engine out of a sl2 model that i'm dropping into a 99sc2 and i was wondering if i'm going to have to change the wiring harness and pcm, or if my wiring harness will plug right into the 99 and work properly.. i have the knowledge of the egr valve's being different is why i was wondering. i believe the 99 is electronic where as the 91 is not..

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You will need an EGR adapter and then all of the sensors and intake from the 99 go onto the 91 then you get to figure out what to do with the AIR system that you can not hang on the 91 exhaust manifold. Th e99 PCM will not be happy and your 99 instrument cluster will not work with a 91 PCM.

The crank in the 91 is different and will not function with the 99 PCM. Stuffing a 91 engine into a 99 car is not going to be a walk in the park. You can rebuild a 99 engine for what all the "extras" to make the 91 run will cost.

There are 3 major incompatibilities: AIR system, EGR, crankshaft. http://saturnwiki.org/index.php/Swap_Guide

You can use a 2000->2002 engine and swap the intake with less grief.

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