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Old 04-22-2007, 06:59 AM   #21
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Downpipe differences: 97 DOHC and 99 DOHC. I took some photos of the downpipes when I put a 97 motor into a 99. They really should have left it the same - it's just so slight a difference that it doesn't work.

Photos attached. BTW - 97 pipe is on the left, 99 on the right.

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Old 04-23-2007, 07:05 PM   #22
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I noticed that too. I tried to use my 99 exuast on a 97. The holes on the flanges are clocked differently.

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Old 04-24-2007, 08:31 AM   #23
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Old 04-24-2007, 03:37 PM   #24
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:54 PM   #25
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99 is the major redesign year for the DOHC. The head was the biggest change, with roller rockers and the 9 bolt exhaust manifold, in addition to the elimination of the top timing chain guide. The crank also changed, as noted. 99 pistons are different as well, and year specific as per the Saturn parts mainframe.

Your guide is inconsistent.

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91-99 blocks interchange externally. Now internally itís a different ball game. The 91-92 had a crank all on its own that will not function correctly in the 93-99 years due to the positioning of the crank position sensor reluctor ring notches. 93-99 cranks are interchangable
'92 to '02 blocks are totally interchangeable. The '00 and up blocks are stronger and all the accessories from previous years fit. Also, the internals from previous years will fit in the '00 and up blocks.
This has to be wrong, as it would be stupid to change everything but the block (internals, head, etc). Although they did wait a year to change the intake manifold, which isn't mentioned in the guide. As I stated above, 99 was the change year. I know, I'm rebuilding one right now.

I guess it's not your guide, but it's factually incorrect at any rate.

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Old 05-01-2007, 10:01 PM   #26
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TO say the least , the 99 twin cam is a ******* engine. I have read SO many conflicting things about the 99 engines I completely give up on them. Either get a 98 and back or 00 and up. That way you KNOW what you are getting. Plain and simple.

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Old 05-05-2007, 08:38 PM   #27
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do you guys know if fuel filters are interchageable for all years?

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Old 05-06-2007, 03:22 PM   #28
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do you guys know if fuel filters are interchageable for all years?
No they are not
Fuel filter, saturn, sohc 91-94
Fuel filter, saturn, dohc 91-93

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Fuel filter, saturn, dohc 1994

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Fuel filter, saturn, dohc 95-97


Fuel filter, saturn, all 98-02

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Old 05-08-2007, 03:10 PM   #29
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*1991 - 1993 (midway through '93) blocks contain an oil feed restrictor (looks like a freeze plug with a hole in it) present in the right front oil galley beneath the deck. This should be removed to prevent oil starvation to the head, as the newer headgaskets function as the restrictor. is this plug located in the motor ??????? i have dry starts when i let the car sit over night this my help a littel any help would be great thanks ???? jay

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Old 05-16-2007, 01:25 PM   #30
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Hey there,
I have a 93 SC2 auto which may have had it's quad driver part of the ecu fried due to the alternator going mad and pushing out 22 volts.
Sometimes it runs fine, other times it splutters, backfires, "snatches" it's gear when putting into reverse or drive.

I have replaced numerous engine parts, (both temp sensors, egr valve, alternator, coils, leads, plugs, fuel filter, air filter, throttle position sensor, and the entire vacuum system has been checked for leaks.)

The poor running is intermittant, and follows no pattern when driving. It can happen anytime, irrespective of what you are doing.

My local auto technician has been through the car a few times and read the error codes. A fried quad driver is his prognosis.
Has anyone ever heard of this problem happening??

He also said if I did get another ecu, it would have to be 'mapped' when on the car. I live in the UK and I have only ever seen 4 Saturns over here, 2 of which I own! There are, as far as I know, no dealers over here who could remap an ecu anyway.

So-Is my tech dude right, or can a matching ecu just be plugged straight on and the car be used??
Reason for listing this tech query in this thread, is- how do I tell what ecu will fit my car? Which number do I go on? (NOOB alert!)

Thanks for any help you guys can give.
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Old 05-16-2007, 08:04 PM   #31
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Hey there,
I have a 93 SC2 auto which may have had it's quad driver part of the ecu fried due to the alternator going mad and pushing out 22 volts.
Sometimes it runs fine, other times it splutters, backfires, "snatches" it's gear when putting into reverse or drive.

I have replaced numerous engine parts, (both temp sensors, egr valve, alternator, coils, leads, plugs, fuel filter, air filter, throttle position sensor, and the entire vacuum system has been checked for leaks.)

The poor running is intermittant, and follows no pattern when driving. It can happen anytime, irrespective of what you are doing.

My local auto technician has been through the car a few times and read the error codes. A fried quad driver is his prognosis.
Has anyone ever heard of this problem happening??

He also said if I did get another ecu, it would have to be 'mapped' when on the car. I live in the UK and I have only ever seen 4 Saturns over here, 2 of which I own! There are, as far as I know, no dealers over here who could remap an ecu anyway.

So-Is my tech dude right, or can a matching ecu just be plugged straight on and the car be used??
Reason for listing this tech query in this thread, is- how do I tell what ecu will fit my car? Which number do I go on? (NOOB alert!)

Thanks for any help you guys can give.
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Ok, first thing is this totally not the right place for this.

Second, your mechanic is stupid, but he's probably never seen another Saturn in his life, so it's not his fault he is completely wrong about everything.

Third, do a search for Quad Driver fault. it's very common, it's not a big deal, although sometimes the cure for the code is somewhat elusive. And sice you have a few other issues, if the Quad Driver search doesn't give you the answers you need, then post a new thread about it, because where you've got your inquiry now, isn't gonna get you much attention.

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Old 05-21-2007, 06:18 PM   #32
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99 is the major redesign year for the DOHC. The head was the biggest change, with roller rockers and the 9 bolt exhaust manifold, in addition to the elimination of the top timing chain guide. The crank also changed, as noted. 99 pistons are different as well, and year specific as per the Saturn parts mainframe.

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This has to be wrong, as it would be stupid to change everything but the block (internals, head, etc). Although they did wait a year to change the intake manifold, which isn't mentioned in the guide. As I stated above, 99 was the change year. I know, I'm rebuilding one right now.

I guess it's not your guide, but it's factually incorrect at any rate.
I have a 1994 SC2 with a SOHC engine. Engine is beyond help. Is it safe to assume that any 1.9L SOHC engine from 94 up will drop right in, providing that I use all the externals from my currently bad engine?

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Old 05-21-2007, 08:26 PM   #33
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I have a 1994 SC2 with a SOHC engine. Engine is beyond help. Is it safe to assume that any 1.9L SOHC engine from 94 up will drop right in, providing that I use all the externals from my currently bad engine?
No '93-'04 will drop right in. "95 started with the new EGR (except California cars, which started in '94). Why does your SC2 have a SOHC? It should have a DOHC. Why don't you put it back to the way it should be? Or were you lied to, and you actually have an SC1? Do you have pop-up headlights? If not, then it's an SC1.

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Old 05-21-2007, 08:44 PM   #34
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I'm thinking of buying a 99 DOHC with a locked up motor.

Since 99 is a one year motor - would it be wiser to get a 98 or 200 - and which one would take the least effort and be more plentiful(cheapest).

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Old 05-21-2007, 09:59 PM   #35
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No '93-'04 will drop right in. "95 started with the new EGR (except California cars, which started in '94). Why does your SC2 have a SOHC? It should have a DOHC. Why don't you put it back to the way it should be? Or were you lied to, and you actually have an SC1? Do you have pop-up headlights? If not, then it's an SC1.
That was a typo. It is an SC1.

Aside from the EGR, everything else should work? I'm kinda confused...

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Old 07-12-2007, 06:59 PM   #36
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I have a 97 SC1 with over 200K on the clock !! I have access to a brand new SOHC engine... I believe it is an O1... Any chance it will swap ??

The old engine still runs good... But uses a qt of oil every K miles and is beginning to slow down on the hills.... and there are lots of hills here !!

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Old 07-12-2007, 08:14 PM   #37
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I have a 97 SC1 with over 200K on the clock !! I have access to a brand new SOHC engine... I believe it is an O1... Any chance it will swap ??

The old engine still runs good... But uses a qt of oil every K miles and is beginning to slow down on the hills.... and there are lots of hills here !!

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Well the exhaust manifold bolt patter is different for sure. You'll need the '01 PCM as well for sure. Also, you might as well change the intake manifold gasket on the '01 since it will leak if it the factory original. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head that you will need. YOu might want to try your own new thread to get better responses. But did the '97 engine blow? Is there anything wrong with it? Usually, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Uzzy..
Your are right !! Had already pulled the trigger when I realized that !!
I don't know how to move this... or I would !!

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What about water pumps?
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What about front suspension and subframe (engine cradle)? My 1997 SC2 had an unfortunate encounter with a curb...and bent the subframe. I'm looking for replacement parts from an auto recycler or a donor car. Please advise what years/models will work. Thanks.

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