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Old 11-10-2006, 07:01 PM   #1
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Default Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

Hi, I am picking up a new Aura XE next week & want to upgrade the

headlamp low beams to "Sylvania Silverstars Ultras" same wattage.

The dealer states that the lamp is a "9005 halogen" for the low beam only.

Can anyone confirm this part number?

Has anyone attempted to install the bulbs themselves or had the dealer do it?

What was the cost?

Thanks, Rich

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Old 11-10-2006, 07:23 PM   #2
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

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Hi, I am picking up a new Aura XE next week & want to upgrade the

headlamp low beams to "Sylvania Silverstars Ultras" same wattage.

The dealer states that the lamp is a "9005 halogen" for the low beam only.

Can anyone confirm this part number?

Has anyone attempted to install the bulbs themselves or had the dealer do it?

What was the cost?

Thanks, Rich
Sorry, All I can tell you is that the whole front fascia has to come off to replace the bulbs, I dont know what it would cost because my bulb was replaced under warrenty. I can tell you that it took them 2 hours to figure it out. They only recorded 40 mins on the paperwork for one high beam. So whatever the going rate is for 40-60 mins will be your cost the dealer route. Im not sure were to start with all the brackets and bolts on the front, Im worried I will break something or undo unnessasary parts and bolts under there, unlike my SC2.

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Old 11-10-2006, 08:52 PM   #3
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

9005 is the low beam and 9006 is the high beam. From what I can see, changing a headlight bulb is a major PITA. If you go to that much work, upgrade the high beams too.

Looks like we're going back to the 1960's where changing a tail light bulb on one American car required removing the rear bumper!

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Old 11-17-2006, 12:44 AM   #4
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

[QUOTE=SaturnRaycer]9005 is the low beam and 9006 is the high beam. QUOTE]

I think the 9005 os high beam and 9006 is low.

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Old 11-17-2006, 08:55 AM   #5
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

It seem more and more cars require the front fascia be removed for one-thing-or-another. The good news is it really doesn't take that long. If you know where the fasteners are, it's a 10 minute job.

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Old 11-17-2006, 09:28 AM   #6
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Whyyyy!? I just don't get it. How in 2007 do we engineer cars that are this hard to work on, for the SMALLEST, unavoidable repairs???

So basically if you took your AURA to the dealer out of warranty to have a stupid bulb replaced, it's going to be over $150 going off the above posted labor rates?

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Old 11-17-2006, 09:46 AM   #7
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

My other car, a 2002 Chrysler 300M, has the same problem of having to remove the front fascia to get to the headlights. 75K miles and no problems so far. Wasn't a deal breaker on either of these cars for me. Never wanted to upgrade to Silverstar bulbs because of this situation, though...

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Old 11-17-2006, 12:19 PM   #8
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

What's so good about these silverstar bulbs? Do they help you see better at night?

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Old 11-17-2006, 01:14 PM   #9
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What's so good about these silverstar bulbs? Do they help you see better at night?
Some members at the 300Mclub.org swear by them. Brighter and increased visibility. I really don't know.

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Old 11-17-2006, 06:01 PM   #10
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

I can help you understand why these bulbs are much better.

We all know that as we age, our eyes get worse, like it or not.

I am over 60 and an automotive engineer.

To maximize safety, I want to install the best lighting available. Normally, this would be HID, at this time in history.

The cost of HID is coming down, but would still cost about $300. or more to change over to HID for low beams. Low beam is really where you drive most of the time.

The stock AURA lights are very good, compared to other cars in its class.

But the "quality" of the light is typical "yellow halogen" about 3,000 degree Kelvin temperature.

GM installs these bulbs for 2 reasons: they are fairly cheap & they are long lasting, past the warranty period! The factory bulbs are made by Wagner & cost no more than about $8.00 at your local parts supplier.

But, the Silverstars & new Silverstar Ultra bulbs, operate at about 5,000 K.

The light is much whiter, closer to daylight. Objects & shadows are much more in relief, improving the drivers ability to distinguish road object more easily.

The wattage is the same & the Silverstars are fully DOT legal. Many aftermarket bulbs are not DOT approved!

Even if the cost to install the four bulbs is $200.

The bulbs cost about $80.

But the huge improvement in night vision for me, is worth the cost.

If you can avoid just one accident, of any type, you have paid for your upgraded lighting system.

Enjoy your AURA, it is one of GM's best cars, by far!!!

120 miles so far & counting, NO PROBLEMS

Most QUIET car I have ever driven!

Great handling, my summer car is a 2006 Corvette.

Regards,

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Old 11-17-2006, 07:45 PM   #11
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Rich,
Well, did you install them in your new Aura? And if so, which Silverstars, by whom, and how much?
Jerry

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Old 11-17-2006, 08:17 PM   #12
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

Jerry, I am using the Silverstar Ultra bulbs, 9005 & 9006.

The standard Silverstars are easy to find, but I wanted the newer, better type.

These are very new on the market & very hard to find in any store.

I bought them on Ebay. I do not know where to buy them, right now.

I am sure that soon, they will be available at retailers throughout the US.

I am having them installed in about a week, I will keep you posted, with before & after pics of the difference in lighting on the road.

Thanks, Rich

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Old 11-17-2006, 08:39 PM   #13
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Jerry, I am using the Silverstar Ultra bulbs, 9005 & 9006.

The standard Silverstars are easy to find, but I wanted the newer, better type.

These are very new on the market & very hard to find in any store.

I bought them on Ebay. I do not know where to buy them, right now.

I am sure that soon, they will be available at retailers throughout the US.

I am having them installed in about a week, I will keep you posted, with before & after pics of the difference in lighting on the road.

Thanks, Rich
Thanks, Rich. I'm sure quite a few of us will be interested.
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Old 11-17-2006, 11:14 PM   #14
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Quote:
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I can help you understand why these bulbs are much better.

We all know that as we age, our eyes get worse, like it or not.

I am over 60 and an automotive engineer.

To maximize safety, I want to install the best lighting available. Normally, this would be HID, at this time in history.

The cost of HID is coming down, but would still cost about $300. or more to change over to HID for low beams. Low beam is really where you drive most of the time.

The stock AURA lights are very good, compared to other cars in its class.

But the "quality" of the light is typical "yellow halogen" about 3,000 degree Kelvin temperature.

GM installs these bulbs for 2 reasons: they are fairly cheap & they are long lasting, past the warranty period! The factory bulbs are made by Wagner & cost no more than about $8.00 at your local parts supplier.

But, the Silverstars & new Silverstar Ultra bulbs, operate at about 5,000 K.

The light is much whiter, closer to daylight. Objects & shadows are much more in relief, improving the drivers ability to distinguish road object more easily.

The wattage is the same & the Silverstars are fully DOT legal. Many aftermarket bulbs are not DOT approved!

Even if the cost to install the four bulbs is $200.

The bulbs cost about $80.

But the huge improvement in night vision for me, is worth the cost.

If you can avoid just one accident, of any type, you have paid for your upgraded lighting system.

Enjoy your AURA, it is one of GM's best cars, by far!!!

120 miles so far & counting, NO PROBLEMS

Most QUIET car I have ever driven!

Great handling, my summer car is a 2006 Corvette.

Regards,

Rich
The problem is the life on the silver star bulbs are about 125 hours. The OEM bulbs lase about 1200-1300 hours. I have Silver stars on my car and I have replaced 3 of them at 50K miles. Its just like anything... The hotter you burn the bulbs, the shorter the life.

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Old 11-17-2006, 11:19 PM   #15
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Whyyyy!? I just don't get it. How in 2007 do we engineer cars that are this hard to work on, for the SMALLEST, unavoidable repairs???

So basically if you took your AURA to the dealer out of warranty to have a stupid bulb replaced, it's going to be over $150 going off the above posted labor rates?
Have you ever looked under the hood of new cars? Those things are cramed. The short overhanges at the front and the rear really help the styling of the car. If you want to get at the bulbs, something has to give. would you want the front of the car to be 5 inches longer so you can change the bulbs? Im sure if they could extend the front of the car enough so you can get at the bulbs and have it look good, they would have made the car longer (just a guess).

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Old 11-18-2006, 12:57 AM   #16
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Rated Bulb Life !!!

Hambone is correct, looks like the dealer has the bulb numbers, reversed.

Taking a close look at the Sylvania website, the 9006 is the low beam, with 150 hours of life & the 9005 is the high beam with 60 hours of life.

They normal halogen bulbs are from 1000 to 1500 hours!!!

I could live with the high beams but lows are not good.

They do not have data yet for the ULTRA bulbs.

I will contact Sylvania, to see what the low beam life is for the new ULTRA bulbs.

Looks like I may have to reconsider & install HID for the low beams!!!

They last far longer if you have a high quality ballast.

Regards, Rich

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Old 11-18-2006, 01:04 AM   #17
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Rated Bulb Life !!!

Hambone is correct, looks like the dealer has the bulb numbers, reversed.

Taking a close look at the Sylvania website, the 9006 is the low beam, with 150 hours of life & the 9005 is the high beam with 60 hours of life.

They normal halogen bulbs are from 1000 to 1500 hours!!!

I could live with the high beams but lows are not good.

They do not have data yet for the ULTRA bulbs.

I will contact Sylvania, to see what the low beam life is for the new ULTRA bulbs.

Looks like I may have to reconsider & install HID for the low beams!!!

They last far longer if you have a high quality ballast.

Regards, Rich
Be carefull with those HID kits. They are not designed to fit a 9006 or H11 bulb opening. The HID unit will have to be rigged to fit.

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Old 11-18-2006, 05:26 AM   #18
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Default HID lights - info:

I found this very informative. The factory halogens are certainly the least problematic.

The biggest issue with the HID is that there is a 15-30 second cooling time at turn off, before you can re-start the lights. There is also a 15-30 second start up time before the lights reach full brightness. This makes for some serious operational issues. If you switch between normal and high beams on a dark country road, then switch back, you could have some dangerous blackout periods.

The HID lights are rated for about 1000 ignitions. Each time the light turns on, it reduces the life. Halogens are rated by hours of use. Now, this is not an absolute, the hours of use also figure in with the HID, but it seems the ignitions put greater stress on the bulbs.

Since the lights turn on every time you start the car, this could be a problem for some. 365 days per year, you can figure out how many times per day you usually start your car. For most folks, the average is at least twice per day.

http://www.halcyon.net/lights/hid-faq.shtml

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Rated Bulb Life !!!

Hambone is correct, looks like the dealer has the bulb numbers, reversed.

Taking a close look at the Sylvania website, the 9006 is the low beam, with 150 hours of life & the 9005 is the high beam with 60 hours of life.

They normal halogen bulbs are from 1000 to 1500 hours!!!

I could live with the high beams but lows are not good.

They do not have data yet for the ULTRA bulbs.

I will contact Sylvania, to see what the low beam life is for the new ULTRA bulbs.

Looks like I may have to reconsider & install HID for the low beams!!!

They last far longer if you have a high quality ballast.

Regards, Rich

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Old 11-18-2006, 09:39 AM   #19
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Default Re: Headlight Bulb Replacement -- Low Beam

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But the "quality" of the light is typical "yellow halogen" about 3,000 degree Kelvin temperature.

Rich
Rich-

A most cordial thanks for your post. I was seeking this kind of high-information content post when I started coming to 'fans. You didn't actually say you work for GM, but assuming you do, posts such as yours are, as far as I'm concerned, much better marketing than a gazillion "Like always. Like never before." advertisements.

Just to have something to complain about, I'd going to nit at you. The SI unit of temperature is the "kelvin", not "Kelvin" (Kelvin refers to the chap in whose honor it was named). The "kelvin" is a fraction of the absolute temperature at which water reaches its triple point not "degrees kelvin". To say that is to be redundant, something GM employees to not want to be these days.

Looking forward to reading your future posts.

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Old 11-18-2006, 11:19 AM   #20
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Gentlemen,

When I graduated from High School, I thought that I was very smart & knew alot.

When I graduated from graduate school in ME, again I thought that I was even much smarter, & had a much greater knowledge base.

Now, after being in the real working world for some 40 years, I realize that in reality, I know only a small fraction of the knowledge in the world.

I am not getting dumber, just more understanding of the huge storehouse of information available in the world today.

I also, has found out that most things that you may think are fairly simple, are in fact very complex, when put under a microscope.

Also, that very few people are "experts" in anything, no matter what they say!

Lighting, as the eye perceives it, is extremely complex.

HID lighting systems fall into this class.

Thanks for the Kelvin...kelvin info, keep me correct.

Reading the info on that HID website about how long it takes a bulb to reach full output, my Corvette has HID low beams, that take no more than 2 seconds to reach full output, as far as I can tell.

Also, if you turn your headlights on low beam, then put the high beams on,
the low beams STAY on also.

So, if someone makes an HID system for the 9006 bulb, it should work just fine.

Sylvania claims that the ULTRA bulb has a lifespan 30% greater than the standard Silverstar bulb.

I have both bulbs in hand, they are exactly the same size, the only difference is that one type has a silver tip, the other glass. Also, the female connector has two tabs internal, the other has just one.

So, it is more or less, impossible to put the wrong bulb in as a replacement.

More to come...

Regards,

Rich

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