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Old 06-02-2006, 12:04 AM   #1
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Default Daytime Running Lights.

So I asked this question awhile ago, but I kinda let it die. I have been doing some research but to no avail.

So I have a 1994 SL. I live in Canada, so DRL HAS to be on ALL cars from the year 1990 and up. The thing is, my DRL's don't work. They don't turn on at all.

I have looked through my fathers Haynes and such, to look at the circuitry but to no avail. They did mention a Day Time Running Light module some where.

Again, I have no clue why they wont turn on. My highbeams work and everything else on my headlights work. (actually, one of my headlights is actually brand new too).

All the fuses are good. I heard of talk of relays but I'm not sure what that means or what a relay is. AND finally, the computer that is near the parking brake, (like underneathe it) there is one connecter that the previous owner disconnected. If I reconnect, the motorized seatbelts turn on but I'm not sure if that would have to do anything with controlling the DRL.

By reading through these books, I find that it has to do with the IGN fuses but these are all good. I am so stumped and I have no clue, on this older car, where to even look for modules or wiring and stuff like that. Thank you SOOO much for your help.

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:17 AM   #2
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Only the Canadian "S" series built before 1996 had DRL's. They all got them in 96'. You might want to consider sending a Private Message to board member Ssicarman. He is a current Canadian Saturn Tech and familiar with the older "S" series DRL's (I have never even seen a pre 96' with DRL's here in the states)

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:25 AM   #3
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Wolf I'm not sure what you are saying.

I already stated that I live in Canada and the car was built here in Canada. My dad drives a 1993 SL that has DRL's on it. My car does too but I'm just not sure why they aren't working. There are quite a bit of older SL's driving around my city that have them working too.

And yes, I know that 1996 and up they were built everywhere with DRL's. Thats what Haynes said. But it still says that from 1991-1995, Saturn did put DRL's on Canadian cars. They had too by law (until it became a stock feature in 1996, then every saturn had them).

I am just trying to figure out what is wrong.

Edit: I sent a message to Ssicarman.

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:50 AM   #4
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

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Wolf I'm not sure what you are saying.

I already stated that I live in Canada and the car was built here in Canada. My dad drives a 1993 SL that has DRL's on it. My car does too but I'm just not sure why they aren't working. There are quite a bit of older SL's driving around my city that have them working too.

And yes, I know that 1996 and up they were built everywhere with DRL's. Thats what Haynes said. But it still says that from 1991-1995, Saturn did put DRL's on Canadian cars. They had too by law (until it became a stock feature in 1996, then every saturn had them).

I am just trying to figure out what is wrong.

Edit: I sent a message to Ssicarman.
Ummm..that is actually exactly waht I'm saying. (Oh and all "S" series were built in Spring Hill, TN USA,) Only the 92'-95' cars sold in Canada had DRL's the US versions did not. (91's were never sold in Canada)

In 1996 ALL the "S" series US and Canada had DRL's

I have never seen a pre 96' HERE IN THE US, that had DRL's, so I am personally unfamiliar with how they are wired in...

Hense my suggestion that you PM Ssicarman, a current CANADIAN Saturn Tech...who is.

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Old 06-02-2006, 11:56 AM   #5
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Ok thanks. I was just not understanding what you said but now I do

Still waiting on a reply though. I am going to my local parts place that has a program (Michell1). You can get all sorts of information with it (I don't know if you have heard of it before). I think it might help.

Any other help, though, would be greatly appreciated too.

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:08 PM   #6
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Just for kicks, does your "brake" dash light come on when you pull the emergency brake??

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:34 PM   #7
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Yes. At first, it didn't but then I did the most logical thing and just replaced the light. So, I'm using that as indication that the car knows when the e-brake is on or not.

My guess is faulty wiring somewhere but I have no clue where it's located at all.

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:37 PM   #8
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Only reason I ask is that my DLR's are tied into the e-brake. When the brake is pulled, the DLR's go out. Make sure all the wiring to the switch is in order.

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:43 PM   #9
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Okay, yeah I knew that. I drove a 2000 Chev Malibu, and I put the e-brake on. That car cries if thats on (never ending dinging) and the DRLs didn't turn on.

Back to my car though

What am I going to have pull apart to look at the wiring?

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Old 06-02-2006, 02:06 PM   #10
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Maybe an obvious question but did your DRLs ever work in this car? If not maybe the car never had them to begin with. Maybe a car not intended for use in Canada?

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Old 06-02-2006, 02:31 PM   #11
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

You're checking to see if the DRL are on while in Drive, right? I believe when you're in P the DRLs are off... Does your car have a light that tells you that they are supposed to be on (and does it work)?

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Old 06-02-2006, 05:38 PM   #12
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

I am not sure at all if they ever worked. I am the third owner to this car.

Oh and it's a five speed too. Umm, I know for a fact that they don't come on because if say I'm in first gear and I pull up to a big truck, I can see my headlights reflecting of the car/truck and there's nothing on at all.

My only guess is either something is wrong or something else. But how could (after 4 years since the bylaw was passed) this car not have DRL's?

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Old 06-02-2006, 05:43 PM   #13
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are you sure the car was orignally purchased from a dealer in canada?

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Old 06-02-2006, 05:57 PM   #14
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What's the more prominent unit of measure on the speedometer?

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Old 06-03-2006, 12:26 PM   #15
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Default Re: Daytime Running Lights.

Kilometers and it doesn't have the shift up thing. I think it would be cool if this car was american but since the instrument clusters points otherwise, I'm quite sure that this car is Canadian.

But, now that I remember something that might be a little more useful to finding a soloution.

Umm, so my seatbelts are disconnected because they were having problems with the battery. The previous owners tried explaining that the batter would be constantly dead and so they would take it in and the tech's would disconnect stuff(my guess is so there was less things taking power away) but instead, it needed a new alternator

So would it have been possible to disable DRL's on a 94 SL that doesn't have a relay for it other than a fuse?

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Old 06-03-2006, 12:46 PM   #16
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You certainly need the wiring schematics for your car's DRL's, its just a matter of acquiring them online (probably an exhaustive search), from someone's FSM, or someplace. I would try searching around until you get the wiring diagrams so you'll be at least able to poke into your car's wiring in the right direction. Just my 2-cents here.

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