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Old 04-22-2016, 10:05 PM   #21
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No I am not kidding you.... approach to people is everything... and NO... I am not a PC weenie.... Just learned after 28 years in the Navy that there are different approaches to things, and 99% of the time you will get FAR better results if you use the correct approach. I AM NOT saying your directions are wrong, just they way you put info out there... And seeing as the search engine on the site would start with the most recent, if you started a new topic on the subject it would be on the very top.... or we can ask one of th ADMINS to tack it to the top or put it in the HOW TO section...either way, it is nice and easy to find.

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Guy, STFU with your PC BS... I don't care if you were in the Navy... Really, what is that supposed to mean? Because you were in the Navy, all of a sudden you're superior to everyone else? That you somehow know infinitely more than anyone else on any given subject just because you have a career working for the government? Let me tell you, I have spent 28 years as a Mechanic and these instructions were BS, and it's not even entirely the sites fault... The factory instructions are inadequate also.

You don't know what you're talking about and honestly the instructions on this site were returned to me by Google, not this forum. You're entitled to your opinion but honestly it means ***** because you're not even on the same page.

You might not like the taste of the medicine but it will make you better, or at least the next guy who unsuspectingly stumbles across this thread on Google. I knew the GM instructions off my AllData were wrong the moment I seen them, I came here on a web search on google thinking surly a bunch of Saturn guys would have enough pride to keep their information to a higher standard.

Either way, I'm done... I just figured I'd tear into your ***** for personal satisfaction and it has nothing to do with Saturn sway bars. I give you valuable information and you want to whine about how you got it!? You must be a Democrat.

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Old 04-22-2016, 10:08 PM   #22
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And you... Kiss his ***** some more... You know you like it.

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Old 04-23-2016, 01:06 PM   #23
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Are you kidding? I just got done telling you I wasted two hours wrenching/whining and then whining more in writing...(snip).
Fixed it for you.

This isn't a corrupt ,peer reviewed, medical journal. It's a discussion board.

Deal with it and it's "limitations"- understanding that your perspective and that of individual members- their specific cars/options- may not be the same. .

If you think you know a better/efficient way , and feel the urge to post, feel free.

If you want to "beech"/moan/berate, go AWOL.

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Old 04-23-2016, 02:52 PM   #24
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Hey, I'm a good sport! I spent the two hours to make SURE the factory instructions were wrong. All this was on a hoist, so I had full lift / mobility with the bar and the bottom line is you aren't twisting a stabilizer bar in an AWD V6 Saturn without removing more than just the tie rod ends, as per the instructions on this site and in many information publications. I knew before I even pulled the broken bar off there it wasn't going to fit without lowering the cradle. I'll admit I didn't think I was going to have to pull the rack, but prior to doing so I was under the misguided perception it had power steering, which this vehicle does not. Makes the job of removing the rack a lot quicker.

I only spent the two hours so I could say with certainty that you, your forum and GM were misinformed. I'm not whining, I'm enjoying every second of this stuff! You don't get many opportunities like this in my line of work.

That said, you're welcome.

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Old 04-23-2016, 05:10 PM   #25
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Sellc,
Couple of things first off... One, there is a HUGE difference between the military and being a government employee.... Second, I am a Republican...
On the main topic of your method of swapping out the parts, if you read my entire post, I stated that there was nothing wrong with your method of doing it, and it sounds like it would be easier your way... I simply said that you could have put the information out in a better, less angry manner... If you look around on the site you will see we respect each other and our unrespected cars.. Good information is good info... But good info put out respectfully is much more welcome and appreciated.

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Old 04-23-2016, 06:58 PM   #26
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This is a lot like throwing someone who is drowning a life saver, and then they complain that you hit them in the head with it after they are back on shore.

If you can't see I'm pulling your chain, then maybe you have spent too much time at sea.

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Old 09-25-2017, 12:26 AM   #27
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I just finished the sway bar replacement on a 2007 3.5 V6 AWD Saturn VUE w/ 116,00 miles. The bar was broke right at the bend before the driver side bushing (horrible design). I had the Hayes manual and followed the procedure for removal and SELLC is correct about not being able to remove or replace the sway bar from the drivers side wheel well as listed in the Hayes manual. I worked a few hours and finally cut it into pieces to remove. We drove it awhile without the bar because I could not see how to get it back in. After seeing this thread I decided to take the advice of SELLC and it went in like a dream. I did it on the ground with jacks. Disconnect sway bar rods and bushings- Disconnect the rack- Disconnect the sub frame- Disconnect the triangle brackets- Slid the bar from the drivers side over the exhaust and drive shaft- Although I did not support the sub frame because it was being held up with the struts. The sub frame needed to be pried apart several times to slip in the sway bar- Slipped the bar between the driver side sub frame and the vehicle- Moved the rack up for clearance- Boom!

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Old 09-25-2017, 04:51 PM   #28
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We drove it awhile without the bar because I could not see how to get it back in.
So why not continue driving it like that? I've had a few cars with the links removed to verify a noise, and I couldn't tell any difference in how they drove.

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Old 11-05-2017, 11:07 PM   #29
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You could drive it without the sway bar for normal driving but I can tell a difference in tight turns. Also it will see a lot of mountain driving and I would not want to risk it with the girlfriends car.

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Old 11-19-2017, 01:14 PM   #30
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i got an 03 v6 awd vue this spring and the sway bar was in the trunk. and it was there when i sold it recently.

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Old 12-10-2017, 10:31 AM   #31
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As a certified master mechanic who just performed this job on a 2006 Saturn Vue with the 3.5 liter V6, I have to say that everything written by this individual is dead wrong. In fact, I spent more time trying to follow this advice above, and the factory instructions of sliding the sway bar in from the drivers side with only the tie rods removed than what it took me to actually do the job. Why would anyone have to cut the sway bar to remove it after its broken? At that point it just slides right out because the ear is no longer in the way. We are to believe this guy actually got the bar back in, but could not remove the old one? It's obvious this guy didn't actually do the job, or was working on a 4 cylinder.

Do not listen to this guy above, or the GM instructions. They are both false and in the case of GM I'd imagine this bankrupt and now shuttered car maker formerly known as Saturn lied and misquoted the job to take advantage of their mechanics who were probably doing these sway bars all the time under warranty. Obviously the design is ridiculous and even a kid could tell that such a design would be destined to fail. Too many bends! Period

If you are a mechanic, you will want to charge at least 3 or 4 labor hours depending on how crusty the vehicle is.

So, if you want the REAL instructions as they pertain to the 3.5 liter sway bar replacement on the Saturn Vue here they are.

Remove the steering rack then lower the cradle down by removing the rearward two 18mm bolts that hold the cradle to the body. You will also have to remove the two triangle like braces that have two 15mm bolts on either side. Be sure to have jacks to hold the sub frame.

Now when installing, you don't try and run the bar in thru the drivers side opening, rather you install it just behind the cradle (on the drivers side) and slide it all the way towards the passengers side as far as it will go, then walk it slowly thru the left drivers side opening. Even with the steering rack out and the cradle down I was never able to just "slide" this bar thru the left drivers side opening. It's just not possible due to the bends.

I had photos that I wanted to post, but this site apparently doesn't allow you to post photos until you have 15 post... I don't plan on wasting that much time here... But I figured I'd call out the guy who wasted hours of my time because he wanted to appear like he had actually done the job back in 2005.
I literally just did this on my vue. U had to lift the exhaust/cats up a little with a jack to get it in but only thing I removed was the tires sway bar links and outer tie rod ends anything else is a waste of time

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Old 12-21-2017, 01:44 AM   #32
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Wilky321, what year, drive train, and engine are you talking about?

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Old 12-21-2017, 01:54 AM   #33
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Wilky321, what year, drive train, and engine are you talking about?

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Old 08-19-2018, 04:31 AM   #34
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Everyone....I need some advice. I had my sway bar break in drivers side when turning into a parking lot. I was near a Firestone and the guy removed dangling parts. Drive 7-hours home and no problems. Ordered a sway bar kit from Summit Racing that had poly bushings (not rubber like OEM in case I 'n wrong on poly material). No tools garage for me. I got Firestone to remove and install Summit kit. All was great.....handling much better BUT I've now got a shake in my steering wheel around 60-to-80mph. Annoying! My watch is snacking on my wrist is how bad it shakes the wheel. It seems worse when on an interstate incline and smooths out on level ground or going downhill at indicated speeds. Firestone stated it was a steering column issue that a GM center should fix. When I took to GM shop, they stated the steering column was fine. What gives? Again, broken sway bar fine and no vibration in steering wheel....replaced sway bar and links kit installed and now a vibration problem. The vehicle is aligned and all wheels balanced by both Firestone and GM shop. It has to be something simple overlooked by both shops. Keep in mind the vehicle is fine under 60-mph. HELP! 😀

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