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Old 05-10-2006, 07:38 PM   #1
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I am in the process of replacing the front sway bar on my 04 Vue. And I mean the sway bar! Not the links, those are childs play. What I want to know is: are there any tricks to getting the G.D. twisty piece of steel bar out of the G.D. VUE?!?!?

My wife decided to go off-roading with the Vue and broke the sway bar link, bent the rack and tie-rod end, and bent the sway bar enough so i can't get the link back on. The Vue is not meant for off pavement, those sway bar links are cheesy! I got out the torches and straightened the rack, hopefully it can be aligned. I gave up on trying to straighten the sway bar, but I can't get the damn thing out. I think i do need to disconnect the steering link from the steering box on the rack, but that is stubborn too. I loosened the bolt, but it doesn't seem to want to let go.

So, do I need to disconnect the steering? (If so, how does it come apart, does it just slide apart after the clamp below the u-joint is loosened?) HELP!!

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Old 05-10-2006, 08:56 PM   #2
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What the heck did she do to bend all of that stuff?
You're just bending back something as critical as a steering rack?

Not sure if the steering rack needs to be disconnected from the column or not. Did you loosen the bolt or remove the bolt? Make sure you remove it completely.

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Old 05-10-2006, 09:04 PM   #3
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Yeah, I figured the shaft in the steering column must be notched... I don't know exactly what she hit, she claims it was a piece of wood stuck in the mud.

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Old 05-11-2006, 06:36 AM   #4
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If you completely remove the bolt and it still won't slide off, you can separate the upper side a little by sticking a big screwdriver in there and twisting a little.

As twisted as that stabilizer bar is, you might have to lower the rear of the cradle in order to fish it out.

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Old 05-11-2006, 07:26 AM   #5
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I used to off-road a lot, serious stuff. The only way a Vue will work off-road, (true off-road, not a construction lot, or some old dirt road,) is by taking the body off the frame and dropping it onto an S-10 chassis. This would be a cool progect, but I don't think anyone's gonna drop the money into it. It's a lot easier to use photoshop.

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Old 05-11-2006, 07:43 AM   #6
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DC,

It looks like there is one big motor mount in the way in the middle above the rack and below the sway bar. Is this where I might need to disconnect and lower? This is getting kind of serious... I still can't remove the steering shaft, I did try the screwdriver trick... I'll have to hammer on it a little.

I did call my local saturn garage this morning, they said they might be able to fax over some repair book pages, too.

Thanks for your help.

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Old 05-11-2006, 08:05 AM   #7
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I guess I could have checked the service manual

Should be no need to disconnect the steering at the column. They show it being removed from the left side of the car. You do need to disconnect both tie rod ends from the knuckles. The exhaust needs to be disconnected on a 4-cyl.

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Old 05-11-2006, 08:19 AM   #8
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So it should come out the driver side... It doesn't say anything about removing the exhaust on the V6 huh? Geez, I tried to pull it that way. I am pretty tempted to cut it in half in the middle, but then I won't know how to wiggle the new one back in!

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Stabilizer Shaft Replacement

Tools Required


J 44015 Steering Linkage Installer

SA91100C Tie Rod Separator

Removal Procedure
Turn the front to the full right position.
Raise and support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in General Information.
Remove the front tire and wheels. Refer to Tire and Wheel Removal and Installation in Tires and Wheels.
If equipped with a 2.2L (L61) engine, remove the front exhaust pipe. Refer to Exhaust Manifold Pipe Replacement in Engine Exhaust.



Disconnect the stabilizer link from the stabilizer bar.
Remove the left outer tie rod to steering knuckle nut. Discard the nut.



Using the SA91100C , separate the outer tie rod from the steering knuckle.



Remove the stabilizer bar clamp to cradle bolts.
Remove the stabilizer bar clamps and bushings from the stabilizer bar.
Important: Take care not to catch the transmission shift cable or left wheel house plastic trim when removing the stabilizer bar.


Remove the stabilizer bar from the vehicle through the left wheel opening.



Installation Procedure
Important: Take care not to catch the transmission shift cable or left wheel house plastic trim when installing the stabilizer bar.


Install the stabilizer bar to the vehicle through the left wheel opening.



Install the stabilizer bar clamps and bushings to the stabilizer bar.
Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Cautions and Notices.

Install the stabilizer bar clamp bolts.

Tighten
Tighten the bolts to 50 Nm (37 lb ft).

Inspect the stabilizer link boots for damage and replace the stabilizer link if needed.



Important: Hold the ball stud when tightening the nut.


Connect the stabilizer links to the stabilizer bar. Do not allow the boot to twist.

Tighten
Tighten the bar to link nut to 65 Nm (48 lb ft).





Connect the left outer tie rod to the steering knuckle.
Use the J 44015 to seat the ball stud taper to 40 Nm (30 lb ft).
Remove the J 44015 .
install a new tie rod retention nut.

Tighten
Tighten the nut to 50 Nm (37 lb ft).

If equipped with a 2.2L (L61) engine, install the front exhaust pipe. Refer to Exhaust Manifold Pipe Replacement in Engine Exhaust.
Install the front tire and wheels. Refer to Tire and Wheel Removal and Installation in Tires and Wheels.
Lower the vehicle.

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Old 05-12-2006, 07:52 AM   #10
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OK, its in. I used that handy "blue-tip wrench" to get it out, in other words cut the f*&%er. Then the only way I could get the new one in was to remove the steering rack. When I did that, it slid in easily. The only difficult part of removing the steering rack was loosening and disconnecting the clamp that attaches the rack to the steering wheel shaft. If you use this method, remove the rack, slide in the sway bar and start the bolts to hold it in place, DO NOT tighten. If you tighten the sway bar all the way down, you won't be able to get the rack back in. Slide the rack in, tighten all bolts. Then get the universal on the steering shaft started onto the rack, get a long (3 foot or better) pry bar and tap the shaft back together from the engine compartment, works best with two people. Voila, it is back together!

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Stabilizer Shaft Replacement

Tools Required


J 44015 Steering Linkage Installer

SA91100C Tie Rod Separator

Removal Procedure
Turn the front to the full right position.
Raise and support the vehicle. Refer to Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle in General Information.
Remove the front tire and wheels. Refer to Tire and Wheel Removal and Installation in Tires and Wheels.
If equipped with a 2.2L (L61) engine, remove the front exhaust pipe. Refer to Exhaust Manifold Pipe Replacement in Engine Exhaust.



Disconnect the stabilizer link from the stabilizer bar.
Remove the left outer tie rod to steering knuckle nut. Discard the nut.



Using the SA91100C , separate the outer tie rod from the steering knuckle.



Remove the stabilizer bar clamp to cradle bolts.
Remove the stabilizer bar clamps and bushings from the stabilizer bar.
Important: Take care not to catch the transmission shift cable or left wheel house plastic trim when removing the stabilizer bar.


Remove the stabilizer bar from the vehicle through the left wheel opening.



Installation Procedure
Important: Take care not to catch the transmission shift cable or left wheel house plastic trim when installing the stabilizer bar.


Install the stabilizer bar to the vehicle through the left wheel opening.



Install the stabilizer bar clamps and bushings to the stabilizer bar.
Notice: Refer to Fastener Notice in Cautions and Notices.

Install the stabilizer bar clamp bolts.

Tighten
Tighten the bolts to 50 Nm (37 lb ft).

Inspect the stabilizer link boots for damage and replace the stabilizer link if needed.



Important: Hold the ball stud when tightening the nut.


Connect the stabilizer links to the stabilizer bar. Do not allow the boot to twist.

Tighten
Tighten the bar to link nut to 65 Nm (48 lb ft).





Connect the left outer tie rod to the steering knuckle.
Use the J 44015 to seat the ball stud taper to 40 Nm (30 lb ft).
Remove the J 44015 .
install a new tie rod retention nut.

Tighten
Tighten the nut to 50 Nm (37 lb ft).

If equipped with a 2.2L (L61) engine, install the front exhaust pipe. Refer to Exhaust Manifold Pipe Replacement in Engine Exhaust.
Install the front tire and wheels. Refer to Tire and Wheel Removal and Installation in Tires and Wheels.
Lower the vehicle.
Do you know if it is possible to replace the bar without removing the front exhaust pipe?

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OK, its in. I used that handy "blue-tip wrench" to get it out, in other words cut the f*&%er. Then the only way I could get the new one in was to remove the steering rack. When I did that, it slid in easily. The only difficult part of removing the steering rack was loosening and disconnecting the clamp that attaches the rack to the steering wheel shaft. If you use this method, remove the rack, slide in the sway bar and start the bolts to hold it in place, DO NOT tighten. If you tighten the sway bar all the way down, you won't be able to get the rack back in. Slide the rack in, tighten all bolts. Then get the universal on the steering shaft started onto the rack, get a long (3 foot or better) pry bar and tap the shaft back together from the engine compartment, works best with two people. Voila, it is back together!
As a certified master mechanic who just performed this job on a 2006 Saturn Vue with the 3.5 liter V6, I have to say that everything written by this individual is dead wrong. In fact, I spent more time trying to follow this advice above, and the factory instructions of sliding the sway bar in from the drivers side with only the tie rods removed than what it took me to actually do the job. Why would anyone have to cut the sway bar to remove it after its broken? At that point it just slides right out because the ear is no longer in the way. We are to believe this guy actually got the bar back in, but could not remove the old one? It's obvious this guy didn't actually do the job, or was working on a 4 cylinder.

Do not listen to this guy above, or the GM instructions. They are both false and in the case of GM I'd imagine this bankrupt and now shuttered car maker formerly known as Saturn lied and misquoted the job to take advantage of their mechanics who were probably doing these sway bars all the time under warranty. Obviously the design is ridiculous and even a kid could tell that such a design would be destined to fail. Too many bends! Period

If you are a mechanic, you will want to charge at least 3 or 4 labor hours depending on how crusty the vehicle is.

So, if you want the REAL instructions as they pertain to the 3.5 liter sway bar replacement on the Saturn Vue here they are.

Remove the steering rack then lower the cradle down by removing the rearward two 18mm bolts that hold the cradle to the body. You will also have to remove the two triangle like braces that have two 15mm bolts on either side. Be sure to have jacks to hold the sub frame.

Now when installing, you don't try and run the bar in thru the drivers side opening, rather you install it just behind the cradle (on the drivers side) and slide it all the way towards the passengers side as far as it will go, then walk it slowly thru the left drivers side opening. Even with the steering rack out and the cradle down I was never able to just "slide" this bar thru the left drivers side opening. It's just not possible due to the bends.

I had photos that I wanted to post, but this site apparently doesn't allow you to post photos until you have 15 post... I don't plan on wasting that much time here... But I figured I'd call out the guy who wasted hours of my time because he wanted to appear like he had actually done the job back in 2005.

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I should also mention that the Vue I was working with was a 3.5 liter AWD version. Perhaps on FWD and 4 cylinder models it may be possible to install the bar thru the drivers side opening with just the tie rods removed from the spindle, but not on the V6 AWD version.

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I should also mention that the Vue I was working with was a 3.5 liter AWD version. Perhaps on FWD and 4 cylinder models it may be possible to install the bar thru the drivers side opening with just the tie rods removed from the spindle, but not on the V6 AWD version.
How about this? (see Post #14) . . .
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...30#post2166830

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Old 04-22-2016, 12:27 AM   #15
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Well, clearly this guy explains that the AWD V6 version will not just go in there as the factory instructions and others have suggested, at least when it comes to the AWD V6 model. I personally have a hoist, so it was just easier to lower the cradle than to rip out the entire strut.

I'm not saying there isn't more than one way to skin a cat, just that the instructions as offered by GM, and the amount of time suggested are not correct when it comes to the V6 AWD model.

The mere suggestion by GM or anyone else for that matter who hasn't taken into account for the AWD V6 version cost others time because they fail to mention things like, I had a 4 cylinder, or I didn't have AWD... Meanwhile I am two hours deep trying to roll a bar into a vehicle wondering WTF are these people thinking!

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Here are some photos.

I noticed no one else seemed to be able to post any.
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Sellc,
Why not remove the struts to make the job easier, they aren't that hard to pull... I just replaced both, along with the lower control arms, brake pads and rotors and end links, plus popped the right side tie rod end.... The strut assemblies were probably the easiest of the bunch to remove. I think from time I put jack under car, to first strut out, after taking off the brake assembly, was about 35-40 minutes, with no air tools and on the ground. I am currently working up a full write up/parts review of everything I did on the front end over the weekend. I took pictures throughout the job and with end results... I haven't seated the brakes yet or had it aligned, but once I do, I will add comments on that as well.
You come in here a little harsh with critisism on people and the way things are done, and posting the same thing on three to four different posts.... all older than dirt for the most part, when a simple new post going into the basics would have been much more appropriate.

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Are you kidding? I just got done telling you I wasted two hours trying to roll a stabilizer bar in a Vue that requires the sub frame to be lowered down to do so (on AWD V6 models). Of course I'm going to be harsh and correct every thread that caused me to "think" it was possible by simpily removing just the tie rod ends.

Takes no time at all to yank the rack and drop the cradle, less time than pulling the strut, which might I add isn't exactly a good way to install the bar because you risk clipping the o2 sensor and many other things. I don't recommend removing the strut to install the bar, as you still have to remove the steering rack either way.

Someone having to perform this job on an AWD V6 will thank me, as they wont have to waste time trying to roll a bar in that isn't going to fit without removing more than what's listed on the few threads here. Regardless if they are old, they still come up on a search.

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No I am not kidding you.... approach to people is everything... and NO... I am not a PC weenie.... Just learned after 28 years in the Navy that there are different approaches to things, and 99% of the time you will get FAR better results if you use the correct approach. I AM NOT saying your directions are wrong, just they way you put info out there... And seeing as the search engine on the site would start with the most recent, if you started a new topic on the subject it would be on the very top.... or we can ask one of th ADMINS to tack it to the top or put it in the HOW TO section...either way, it is nice and easy to find.

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