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Old 05-23-2016, 12:29 PM   #41
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so no, I don't see any evidence to support that modern oils are any better than they were 25 years ago as far as allowing a motor to last any longer than they have in the past.

but I do agree with following the manufacturers guidelines.
And what of all the coked up rings in hot motors of many a SAturn, in these fine forums , and the talk of synthetic oils not sludging up the works anymore?...

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Old 05-23-2016, 10:54 PM   #42
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that's an interesting question, as it actually relates significantly to the CR study.
if all these fancy oils made any difference, shouldn't we be seeing a large percent of cars with a half million miles or more on them?
The highlighted question is really a canard. The great majority of car owners do not keep their cars long enough to find out if they'll last up to 500K miles. I understand your argument and you may be correct, but this question does nothing to strengthen it. I'm hoping to get my car over the 300K mark and I take care of it as well as I can so that that may become a reality. I think it unlikely that I will own my LS1 long enough to see 500K miles on the odometer. At this pace it will take at least another sixteen years before that happens!

When it comes to clean oil I've discovered something recently. Since acquiring an '04 Acura MDX for my wife I've found that the OE brand filter is exceptionally good. I've never seen cleaner oil prior to an oil change like I've seen it on that vehicle for a year now. I wish I could get a filter as good as theirs to fit my car! The oil type used is a synthetic blend.

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Old 05-25-2016, 09:20 PM   #43
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The you're not looking hard enough, or did you miss my post on my 25,000 mi OCI in this thread?
I don't see where you've mentioned that in this thread.

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Old 05-25-2016, 09:23 PM   #44
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The highlighted question is really a canard. The great majority of car owners do not keep their cars long enough to find out if they'll last up to 500K miles. I understand your argument and you may be correct, but this question does nothing to strengthen it. I'm hoping to get my car over the 300K mark and I take care of it as well as I can so that that may become a reality. I think it unlikely that I will own my LS1 long enough to see 500K miles on the odometer. At this pace it will take at least another sixteen years before that happens!

When it comes to clean oil I've discovered something recently. Since acquiring an '04 Acura MDX for my wife I've found that the OE brand filter is exceptionally good. I've never seen cleaner oil prior to an oil change like I've seen it on that vehicle for a year now. I wish I could get a filter as good as theirs to fit my car! The oil type used is a synthetic blend.
maybe so, but on the other hand traditional oils are good enough to get a car to a couple hundred thousand with no trouble.
it's kind of like "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound". only instead, it's if no one drives the car long enough, does it really matter?

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Old 05-26-2016, 10:20 AM   #45
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maybe so, but on the other hand traditional oils are good enough to get a car to a couple hundred thousand with no trouble.
it's kind of like "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there, does it still make a sound". only instead, it's if no one drives the car long enough, does it really matter?
I'm not sure which part of my statement from post #42 that this is a responce to. Would you clarify that for me, please?

I think it's useful to have some historical perspective on this issue overall. My father was a master mechanic for Union 76 when there were service stations with active repair bays and vehicle hoists. He's really amazed at the improvements in modern engines which allow them to go over 200K miles. Why? Because he recalls a time, some fifty to seventy years ago, when it was considered a big deal when an engine had gone 100K miles without needing a valve job. This was at a time when engines were all cast iron and aluminum wasn't yet even available under the hood.

Apart from improvements in oil, and there have ben many formulation improvements since the mid-20th century, other factors have had a positive impact on the longevity of an engine's service life. There have been ongoing improvements in the metals used in building engines and their internal components. Next, a major improvement in the cooling systems has reduced engine wear. We all know that excessive heat is a major reason for premature engine failure. (The cooling system on my LS1 is excellent! GM and Saturn developed a winner there.) Lastly, many more motorists are taking better care of their vehicles in general. This has been especially true of foreign car owners for the last forty plus years. Their dealerships had tended to be more owner friendly and did a better job of convincing their customers of the need to follow scheduled maintenance. I saw this for myself while working for dealerhsips and at independent auto parts businesses.

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Old 05-27-2016, 01:29 PM   #46
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The you're not looking hard enough, or did you miss my post on my 25,000 mi OCI in this thread?
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I don't see where you've mentioned that in this thread.
Look at post #31, it's there for all to see.

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Old 05-30-2016, 10:06 AM   #47
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I put full synthetic oil in everything. For the cars, that's historically been Rotella T6 5W-40 (European cars and Saturns). Everything else has gotten either Mobil1 0W-30 or Mobil1 0W-40. That includes my Deere tractor, Generac 17.5KW generator, power washer, etc.

The cars get oil/filter changes every 7500 miles, tractor/generator every 50 hours, and other stuff is once a year.

I gave the last Saturn I owned (and likely will ever own) to my mother when she needed an extra car to knock around in. It's a 97 SC2 with about 100k miles on it now and doesn't use ANY oil. I always fed it Rotella T6 and used cheap Fram Toughguard filters (one step up from the orange can of death).

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Old 06-10-2016, 10:23 PM   #48
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Amsoil has made leaps and bounds with there line up offering 25k oil changes, and at $10.70 a qt you really can't go wrong. There is a reason why truck driver switch to it (although god awful pricy for the equipment and initial startup cost) because it's much easier change oil filters then oil, they'll keep running the same oil till it hits 100k miles before possibly thinking about changing it because that is how long it last.

The guy who originally owned my car before hand (the first owner) is a CAT mechanic/engineer and even he told me amsoil (pretty much anything full synthetic) is the way to go for these LL0 engines. Oldnuc also mentioned heat issues, 275+f in oil pan after a short hard accel for 15min.+ before cooling down, with the oil in these motors (namely DOHC) which is why the pistons gum up with conventional oil and start burning it.

Take it for what it is, but changing the oil every 3k miles is more costly then $12 a qt oil every 10k miles (unless you are buying very very cheap oil) even more so with today's oil every 15k miles or more (depending on brand).

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Old 06-11-2016, 07:02 AM   #49
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at $10.70 a qt
That's retail pricing.

ANyone that buys oil/other car care products, for a vehicle or two, can knock off about 50% of that price by becoming a preferred customer ( or better) .

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Old 06-14-2016, 12:36 PM   #50
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That's retail pricing.

ANyone that buys oil/other car care products, for a vehicle or two, can knock off about 50% of that price by becoming a preferred customer ( or better) .
Retail is actually $12.xx... oh wow Amsoil lowered their prices again , now its $11.10 a qt from them, i got mine from a dealer that buys it in bulk, they resell it at $10.70. I would like to be preferred customer but i don't buy near enough, what i have in car now will last 3 years before 20k miles

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Old 08-22-2016, 08:42 PM   #51
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The problem is that's is extrememly difficult to prove "better" oil is actually, better.

I know this is an old thread, but you can prove one oil is better than other.

Here's my blackstone oil analysis on my 345xxx Volvo. I now have 388xxx on the same engine. I use AMSoil OE.


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