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Old 03-13-2006, 09:27 AM   #21
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I made a comment earlier in this thread and no one has addressed it:

Prove one brand of oil is better than another.

Can anyone do it? I'm not talking about dino vs. synthetic. I want to be convinced that I should by name-brand oil instead of generic oil. And I don't want to her what's on the labels: "for high-mileage engines," "advanced additives," etc. Show me why expensive oils will prevent an engine breakdown.

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I made a comment earlier in this thread and no one has addressed it:

Prove one brand of oil is better than another.

Can anyone do it? I'm not talking about dino vs. synthetic. I want to be convinced that I should by name-brand oil instead of generic oil. And I don't want to her what's on the labels: "for high-mileage engines," "advanced additives," etc. Show me why expensive oils will prevent an engine breakdown.
I'm not going to get into a brand name battle, of whats better than what. But yes, some brand names are better than other brand names.
Most of your synthetic oils are up there in price compared to conventional oils. But, comparing conventional oil vs. synthetic oil is like comparing apples to oranges.
When people go to Wallymart or some 10 minny oil changey place, the generic oil that is being put into their vehicle is conventional oil. The oil change specialists there always try to upgrade you into a better grade of oil. But, most people refuse and just go with the generic brand. Which is what this thread was about in the first place. People would rather go with the generic brand rather than the better brand. Why?
The reason why some oils are better than other oils are for various reasons.
Most of the reasons why are because of how it's made. Most of your conventional oils contain small amounts of sulfur, wax, and asphaltic material that can promote detonation as well as varnish or sludge buildup. The better brand names use a better filtering and manufacturing process to rid these contaminents.
Synthetic oils tend to be up there in price because of the chemical process it takes to make it. Plus synthetic oils don't contain any sulfur, wax, or asphaltic material. With none of these contaminants, synthetic oils will flow at much lower temperatures than conventional oils. Also synthetic oils are capable of protecting engines at temperatures well above 400 degrees. Synthetic oils molecules are much more consistent in size and shape. The unstable molecules in conventional oils can easily vaporize or oxidize under extreme heat. Thus making generic oil ( The kind Butt Backwards people buy) crappy oil, because it breaks down quicker, turns into sludge quicker, wearing your engine down at cold start ups.

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...The reason why some oils are better than other oils are for various reasons. Most of the reasons why are because of how it's made. Most of your conventional oils contain small amounts of sulfur, wax, and asphaltic material that can promote detonation as well as varnish or sludge buildup. The better brand names use a better filtering and manufacturing process to rid these contaminents...

Thus making generic oil ( The kind Butt Backwards people buy) crappy oil, because it breaks down quicker, turns into sludge quicker, wearing your engine down at cold start ups.
That's good theory, but I want proof that these theories lead to increased performance, increased economy, and reduced cost of engine repairs.

I still simply have no reason to believe that using a branded dino oil will save me from an engine repair vs. generic dino oil.

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That's good theory, but I want proof that these theories lead to increased performance, increased economy, and reduced cost of engine repairs.

I still simply have no reason to believe that using a branded dino oil will save me from an engine repair vs. generic dino oil.
If you want proof, your going to have to do the leg work. It's out there and it's been proven.
When you find the facts, don't bother apologizing. .

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If you want proof, your going to have to do the leg work. It's out there and it's been proven.
When you find the facts, don't bother apologizing. .
Ithink what the poster is saying is show me how Quaker State oil will prolong the life of my engine over Exxon or Shell or the off brands many new car dealers use.Even Walmart oil meets or exceeds maufactures engine requirements.To many its peace of mind. (in their minds anyway)Im sure the Quaker State brand is a better grand of oil and if I was racing on a race course would I would want the best oil possible,but using low brand names will NOT harm your engine IMO if that oilis meets specs of the builder.Its like thinking using Exxon gas will give you more power than using hess or another lesser name brand.Usally that fuel is made by the large companys anyway.

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Old 03-14-2006, 09:29 AM   #26
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Yes walt, that's what I'm saying.

I searced the internet for a few minutes, and basically all I found was people repeating the labels on the bottles: "Brand X is better because it is specially formulated with additives..." or something like that.

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Yes walt, that's what I'm saying.

I searced the internet for a few minutes, and basically all I found was people repeating the labels on the bottles: "Brand X is better because it is specially formulated with additives..." or something like that.
Everything you ever wanted to know about oil and oil filters can be found here:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com

Feel free to do the research yourself...as others have posted, I ain't gonna do it fer ya.

As a side note: Mobil 1 is in every engine I own from the cars to the lawnmower....and I've taken many engines apart over the years...none that belonged to me....

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I used Castrol oil in my TQ Midget and had many engine bearing failures due to the high rpm (13000)
I switch to Lucas Oil and the failutres are few and far between.
Thats why my Outlook , the wifes Jetta and my Vette have Lucas in them.

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I used Castrol oil in my TQ Midget and had many engine bearing failures due to the high rpm (13000)
I switch to Lucas Oil and the failutres are few and far between.
Thats why my Outlook , the wifes Jetta and my Vette have Lucas in them.
Are you aware that you just replied to a dead in the water 6 year thread?

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well i have been using the Castrol Gtx for like 3 years and i m totally satisfied with it and usually try to change the oil after 4k to 6k and at every time change usually try to change the oil as well as the air filter and my ride's engine and the performance is simply just amazing..........

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I've run AMsoil in my Nissan Frontier since 15000 miles( now 340,000 miles). I did that using a 25000 mile change interval..

NOw calculate how many more oil changes I would have had to do were I not "butt backwards". I'm figgerin over 100 changes vs 12 or so.

I save $$ spent on oil, time changing the oil, time saved NOT bottling the used stuff 7 to 8 times as much to take to haz waste site.

I like NOT changing oil.

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Are you aware that you just replied to a dead in the water 6 year thread?
Kettle says what to the pot?

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Attempting to say that I reply to old threads?

If so you are incorrect.

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Are you aware that you just replied to a dead in the water 6 year thread?
OK,so you replied to someone replying to a six year old thread. Ya gotta get technical?

Yes. You,ssicarman, reply to old threads.
Where is the ruler, hand hitting, Smiley?

Honestly, you don't see the irony?

NOt to mention ,all you did is nag without any contribution to the OP's stupid , leading, slanted question.

Er, now I am nagging.

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OK,so you replied to someone replying to a six year old thread. Ya gotta get technical?

Yes. You,ssicarman, reply to old threads.
Where is the ruler, hand hitting, Smiley?

Honestly, you don't see the irony?

NOt to mention ,all you did is nag without any contribution to the OP's stupid , leading, slanted question.

Er, now I am nagging.

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i just picked up one year's worth of synthetic oil for the 99 sl2. it was on sale and i thought it would give me a chance to see and compare.

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I buy generic cereal. It tastes the same.
Generic milk. Same.
Generic green beans. Same.
Generic chicken. Same.
Generic rice. Same.

That's why I believe generic oil is the same as long as it's API certified.

The problem is that's is extrememly difficult to prove "better" oil is actually, better. Some tests have shown "cleaner looking" engines or "less wear." That may be all fine and dandy, but what we need to conclude is that oil brand X will or will not result in increased performance, economy, or longetivity. Bob can gloat about how Mobil 1 oil got his car 200K miles, but on the other hand, Joe got 200K out of Wal-Mart oil in the same model car.

If an engine fails, how many times can it be proven that it was due to using a particular brand of oil? Speaking of, assuming oil is changed on schedule, what potential engine failures could be due to generic oil? Specifically, why is generic oil "bad" for your engine? And I'm speaking of the attributes listed above: performance, economy, and longetivity.

I have yet to see proven, quantitative data showing that a particular brand of oil is better for my car. That's why I use the cheapest I can find.
I posted the link for the Consumer Reports huge oil test that was done, in the big oil and filter thread here.
And it was surprising to see people trying to explain why the test was basically useless.
But the CR study was on NY taxi cabs. These are cars that are driven harder than the vast majority of our cars will see. And they found no difference between any oil whatsoever.
And this test included Mobil 1 and Valvoline synthetic oils, as well as one blend of oil and synthetic.

So imho, it may be possible to cook up an oil that makes a slight difference, but if you simply change the oil with a good filter at every single change, your car's motor will have an optimal life span.

At the end of the day, I think what most people don't realize, is that it's the modern metals and materials that have made the bulk of the difference in longevity seen among better motors.

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So imho, it may be possible to cook up an oil that makes a slight difference, but if you simply change the oil with a good filter at every single change, your car's motor will have an optimal life span..
Pretty safe and general statement....
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014...ing-right-oil/
That said, some motors have oil abuse engineered into them.

COnventional dino oils can oxidize quickly and start sludging up the works early in the OCI. Going beyond what the manf. recommends- using the best filters and best synthetic oil- can dull/delay greatly the eventual engine overhaul costs/ replacement.

To further get into trouble, ignore the manf's spec on the oil to be used at your peril. I'm not talking about viscosity alone , but the type of oil and API rating spec to be used in the motor.

As an example, certain VW diesel motors were just fine using M1 back in the day, then VW changed the pump( I think the injection pump) to run off the cam( vs wherever it was being powered before).. That put more wear pressure on the cam and followers, as now, there was one more cam to power the pump- kindof like cramming one more seat in at the dinner table
( everyone has to skooch in) or all the cam lobes became narrower to make room for the "injection cam"...

Wear rates and engine failure shot up because some owners ignored VW's new "spec".

There are many other examples in the auto industry.

By the way, is 'optimal life" over 300K miles?

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Pretty safe and general statement....
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014...ing-right-oil/
That said, some motors have oil abuse engineered into them.

COnventional dino oils can oxidize quickly and start sludging up the works early in the OCI. Going beyond what the manf. recommends- using the best filters and best synthetic oil- can dull/delay greatly the eventual engine overhaul costs/ replacement.

To further get into trouble, ignore the manf's spec on the oil to be used at your peril. I'm not talking about viscosity alone , but the type of oil and API rating spec to be used in the motor.

As an example, certain VW diesel motors were just fine using M1 back in the day, then VW changed the pump( I think the injection pump) to run off the cam( vs wherever it was being powered before).. That put more wear pressure on the cam and followers, as now, there was one more cam to power the pump- kindof like cramming one more seat in at the dinner table
( everyone has to skooch in) or all the cam lobes became narrower to make room for the "injection cam"...

Wear rates and engine failure shot up because some owners ignored VW's new "spec".

There are many other examples in the auto industry.

By the way, is 'optimal life" over 300K miles?
that's an interesting question, as it actually relates significantly to the CR study.
if all these fancy oils made any difference, shouldn't we be seeing a large percent of cars with a half million miles or more on them?
when the reality is that nothing has really changed in the past 25 years or more. once in a blue moon, you'll see some guy who has a random vehicle, and it is certainly random, as it's always a different brand... but once in a while you'll see one in car and driver, or some other mag, with a half million miles, and in some rare cases even more.
but even the very reliable and simple format 4 cylinder motors in small cars, don't last any longer than they ever did with standard motor oils of the past.
and lets talk extremes here. two of the super high mileage cars that I first saw, were an old Mercedes, and a Chrysler with the old Slant 6 in it.
funny thing about the mercedes, is that it burned oil at 5 quarts or so for every oil change. so the guy literally never changed the oil, and only swapped out the oil filter every 3k miles. and that old car had somewhere around half a million miles on it when I read that story.

so no, I don't see any evidence to support that modern oils are any better than they were 25 years ago as far as allowing a motor to last any longer than they have in the past.

but I do agree with following the manufacturers guidelines.

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so no, I don't see any evidence to support that modern oils are any better than they were 25 years ago as far as allowing a motor to last any longer than they have in the past.

but I do agree with following the manufacturers guidelines.
The you're not looking hard enough, or did you miss my post on my 25,000 mi OCI in this thread?

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