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Old 06-23-2006, 11:31 AM   #41
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Default Re: Upgraded L-Series 2.2L Timing Chain Tensioner & Oiler (Pictures and Part Numbers)

very cool

Thanks! I will let you know how it goes. If gm gives 5 hours, i know i can get it done in 5-6 hrs. Longer if I have help!!!

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Old 06-25-2006, 09:12 PM   #42
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This is all great info and heed the earlier advice to move/dissasemble everything in your way cause it's definitely easier than trying some shortcut.

I learned the hard way doing a timing belt on my 88 tracer. What a PITA.

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Old 07-08-2006, 11:26 PM   #43
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I changed the timing chain about six weeks ago. I have the FSM, so had lots of data. A couple of tips. It generally takes me about twice what a dealer mechanic would take to do a job. Here is no different, in total it was about 9-10 hours. Get a long 1/2" extender, long enough so you can turn your breaker bar outside the fender well when undoing the crankshaft bolt. If you don't you won't have enough room to swing the wrench under the car with it on jackstands. You will need a pipe over the breaker bar. I had to go and rent an electric impact wrench to get this off. I installed the whole kit and a new crankshaft bolt. In retrospect, didn't need the sprockets o70r the chain guides. You definitely do need the new cam sprocket bolts (BOLD in the manual) but can get away with the old crank bolt (not bolded in manual) as it is very long and only twists 70 degrees or so.

One other thing, when you have the timing cover off stuff a rag into the opening at the bottom below the crankshaft. This goes through to the oil sump. If you drop a screw when replacing the chain guides it may go into the sump where it will be almost impossible to recover.

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Old 07-10-2006, 06:13 PM   #44
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I changed the timing chain about six weeks ago. I have the FSM, so had lots of data. A couple of tips. It generally takes me about twice what a dealer mechanic would take to do a job. Here is no different, in total it was about 9-10 hours. Get a long 1/2" extender, long enough so you can turn your breaker bar outside the fender well when undoing the crankshaft bolt. If you don't you won't have enough room to swing the wrench under the car with it on jackstands. You will need a pipe over the breaker bar. I had to go and rent an electric impact wrench to get this off. I installed the whole kit and a new crankshaft bolt. In retrospect, didn't need the sprockets o70r the chain guides. You definitely do need the new cam sprocket bolts (BOLD in the manual) but can get away with the old crank bolt (not bolded in manual) as it is very long and only twists 70 degrees or so.

One other thing, when you have the timing cover off stuff a rag into the opening at the bottom below the crankshaft. This goes through to the oil sump. If you drop a screw when replacing the chain guides it may go into the sump where it will be almost impossible to recover.

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You should have changed your guides and tensioner. If you only did the tensioner your going to have issues because the new design tensioner will not work with a old pivot guide.
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Old 07-10-2006, 09:02 PM   #45
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You should have changed your guides and tensioner. If you only did the tensioner your going to have issues because the new design tensioner will not work with a old pivot guide.
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That was a late post. I did change everything. Yes, the tensioner must be changed, along with the pivot guide. Parts prices are much higher in Canada, so you think about what you can skin on. The kit was upwards of C$400 AIRC. The crankshaft bolt I wouldn't reuse more than once.

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Old 10-28-2008, 02:40 PM   #46
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For anyone searching for a source for the 2.2L timing chain kit please note the Cloyes kit comes with two torque to yield camshaft bolts. RockAuto.com stocks the complete kit. The photo on their website did not show the camshaft bolts. No crankshaft bolt is included in the kit and in fact is not offered ala cart from Cloyes as an on line after market part. After extensive research on the net I believe most people reuse the crankshaft bolt. Most forum postings on the subject of TTY bolts can be summarized this way: Don't reuse the TTY bolts but many people do reuse them anyway, and getaway with it at least one time. I did use some red Loctite on the bolt.

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Old 11-04-2008, 11:22 PM   #47
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ouch I take it the total cost was $240 for the kit+ junkyard engine + tools + time and effort to actually do the job. what do you estimate the total actual money and time cost was? I take it your folks' 2000 L series engine was blown due to the timing chain oiler problems?

get a commercial account, or make friends with somebody who has a commercial account with the local dealer parts dept. I work the parts counter, and it's insane the discount they give those guys! On expensive parts (wheel hub assembly) it can be $80-$100 off.

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Old 04-07-2009, 03:08 PM   #48
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The picture links are all broken. I can't view them. Can you post again or give me some guidance. I am changing my cylinder head (the old one developed a crack). I have cylider one TDC. but am unsure of my cam positions for reinstallation of the timing chain. Haynes is not very helful, the picture they are showing does not match up with the description. Thanks for any help you can give me.

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Old 04-07-2009, 06:18 PM   #49
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My 2.2 '02 VUE (68K) is in the shop right now for broken timing chain. Is that the same type engine you repaired?
My mechanic has it all back together but now has an issue w/Reduced Power when using the foot feed, but can get full throttle under the hood. Any ideas?
Good work on all your research!
BTW, encourage all who have these timing chain issues to report it to Saturn. I called the recall # in another thread found today and registered my timing chain complaint. She recommend all w/same to do the same. Also to register complaint w/the National Highway Safety Commission. And I mentioned the class action lawsuit against Saturn Corp & GM regarding the faulty part, in both of the above mentioned complaints.

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Old 04-13-2009, 01:06 AM   #50
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K2112s, I can't find the crank alignment diagram to repost, but these cam alignment ones may help, with many thanks to Vocky at vvoc.com. There is a corresponding crankshaft alignment link and sprocket tooth as well.

You'll find other cam alignment photos posted as Zoomboom's photos.

I hope this helps.
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Old 07-18-2010, 12:05 PM   #51
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Hello,

I am replacing the timing chain, tensioner, etc.. in my 2001 lw200. The old tensioner failed and the top end of the engine grenaded and has been replaced. The new head, cams, chain, gears, oiler, tensioner, etc.. have all been installed, but when i turn the engine over by hand there is interference.

1) engine set to TDC on #1 cylinder, marks on crank pulley & timing cover match up & I stuck long screwdriver down the spark plug hole to confirm it's at TDC. The colored link on the chain is on the white crank sprocket tooth (which is @ approx 5 o'clock)

2)the other colored links are on the marks on the cam sprockets (approx 10 o'clock for exhaust & 2 o'clock for the intake cam)

3) everything looks just like the pictures in the repair manuals, but when the engine is turned over by hand it can only make about 1/8 rotation in either direction before stopping.

Any ideas what the problem may be? timing off? more damage in the bottom end? a little sticky from rust?

totally stumped and desperate to get my car rolling again, please help.

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Hello,

I am replacing the timing chain, tensioner, etc.. in my 2001 lw200. The old tensioner failed and the top end of the engine grenaded and has been replaced. The new head, cams, chain, gears, oiler, tensioner, etc.. have all been installed, but when i turn the engine over by hand there is interference.

1) engine set to TDC on #1 cylinder, marks on crank pulley & timing cover match up & I stuck long screwdriver down the spark plug hole to confirm it's at TDC. The colored link on the chain is on the white crank sprocket tooth (which is @ approx 5 o'clock)

2)the other colored links are on the marks on the cam sprockets (approx 10 o'clock for exhaust & 2 o'clock for the intake cam)

3) everything looks just like the pictures in the repair manuals, but when the engine is turned over by hand it can only make about 1/8 rotation in either direction before stopping.

Any ideas what the problem may be? timing off? more damage in the bottom end? a little sticky from rust?

totally stumped and desperate to get my car rolling again, please help.

Thank you!
The only thing I can think of is if the intake and exhaust camshafts are installed in the wrong locations, that is the intake camshaft is in the exhaust location and vice versa.

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Old 01-06-2011, 12:34 PM   #53
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I just called two dealers in my area about doing this work.
The first dealer quotes me $291.02 for the part and $720 for the labor for 5.5 hours.
The second quoted $314.30 for the part and $1127.23 for the labor at 11 hours.

One is somewhat honest and the other is full of ****.

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I just called two dealers in my area about doing this work.
The first dealer quotes me $291.02 for the part and $720 for the labor for 5.5 hours.
The second quoted $314.30 for the part and $1127.23 for the labor at 11 hours.

One is somewhat honest and the other is full of ****.
Pays to shop around!

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Old 02-12-2011, 08:52 PM   #55
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For those of you who are thinking of doing the timing kit swap yourselves, there is a great how-to guide at this British site. I wish I had access to this resource when I fumbled my way through the replacement process a few years ago!

All the best to those who DIY.

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On average how long do these last? I have 120k miles on mine.

Is there a place to get the full kit, or do I buy the parts seperate? I prefer OEM parts.

What all should be changed? Any seals I should do while in there?

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Old 04-03-2011, 11:24 AM   #57
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On average how long do these last? I have 120k miles on mine.

Is there a place to get the full kit, or do I buy the parts separately? I prefer OEM parts.

What all should be changed? Any seals I should do while in there?
On my 2000, the chain jumped at 129K, though I think the previous owner allowed the oil change interval to be a bit too long and/or let the oil level get too low. As you'll see from many posts here, once it slips/jumps, bad things can happen. Bent valves and smacked cylinders resulted in my case, so it's getting a cylinder head rebuild and new pistons, rings and connecting rod bearings.

RockAuto lists two kits, the Cloyes 94201S and Sealed Power's KT4016S. Cloyes has a good reputation and I've ordered their kit, which is way less expensive. Didn't see a complete OEM kit, but my search wasn't exhaustive.

In my 2000, I'm also changing the timing gear oiler/nozzle (Cloyes 95467), timing chain tensioner (GM part #: 12608580) and a water pump kit.

With respect to OEM parts, I found exceptional pricing on many parts at gmpartsgiant.com and tried a small order, since they would nominally ship from the same time zone, but nearly 10 days later, I'm still waiting. Rock Auto's service really is pretty good.

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ag, thanks for the info. Im also thinking of doing the balancer chain kit while im in there.
The oil has always been changed every 3k, just once it went 8k and a quart low when I was out of state.
Im hoping that didnt do any non-reversable damage. I will monitor the sounds from the engine compartment.
I just want to do this before it jumps and causing more expensive repairs.


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For those of you that have replaced the Timing chain package.
Have you filed a complaint with the NHTSA? This will hopefully get a recall for other years using the same engine.
That means everyone will get their timing chain replaced before any more unfortunate accidents occur on our highways.

A recall would also get everyone reimbursed, if they have had the work done prior to the recall passing.

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PLEASE file a complaint about your timing chain problems with the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration here:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

By filing a complaint, there is a greater chance that NHTSA will expand the recall to include Saturn L series vehicles made in 1999, 2000 and 2002 as they all use the SAME DEFECTIVE PART (timing chain oiler too small to properly lubricate the timing chain) as the 2001.

Here's just a sample:

http://www.faqs.org/car/saturn-l200-...ngine-cooling/

Why on earth NHTSA only recalled the one year (2001 model year = 20,500 vehicles) is beyond belief, as MANY with L's not made in 2001 have had problems with the timing chain.

In fact, the North Carolina Consumers Council has petitioned NHTSA to expand the scope of the recall due to the fact that the same defective part was installed in L's (391,600) made from 1999 to 2002 (part was changed on the assembly line starting with the 2003 model year).

Your complaint could be the tipping point that causes NHTSA to expand the scope of the recall, meaning we'd all be entitled to getting some money back for the cost of repairs we had to shell out.

If they get enough complaints, they'll investigate further.

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did anyone also replace the balancer chain/guides? I wasn't able to find any kits for this.. unlike the timing chain kit. I'm wondering if these are problematic also, or if I can forego replacing this even though I'll be in there already...

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