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Old 02-16-2006, 02:10 PM   #41
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Old 02-16-2006, 02:12 PM   #42
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I vote no, And I am way in the minority. my how times have changed,
I wish that I could get excited about an imported Saturn. As much as the imports are "reported" to be better, I don't think that I will stray too far from the "Made in America" lable. My '99 Mercury Villager was made in Ohio and was also sold as a Nissan quest. So, I can't too righteous about hating "foriegn cars".

But I maintain that I am a "Made in america" guy. I could go buy an Accord or a Civic easier, than buying a car "made overthere". I would be at least employing my fellow Ohioians. I hope and pray that the 3 door or 5 door is an option that comes our way. Make it different, and make it in Tennesee. Exporting Saturns as Opels does not offend me. Go for it. It employees US citizens.

And yet I know that resistance is futile. Opel and Saturn are now married with children. General Motors only needs to change the logos and name on the Saturn/Opel brand to become the GMC car company. While they are at it lets fold in the buick or the pontiac car companies too. I bet it happens when GM re-reorg's under bankruptsy protection. It all seems too possible to me.

I am heartbroken. GM has sold Saturn's soul.

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Old 02-16-2006, 02:29 PM   #43
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Agreed. Although, we could get 1 or 2 years of the current Astra as a stop-gap measure. Let's not forget, they are also imported into Mexico in 2007, and do we not have the NAFTA? Couldn't they ship them from England, Brussels or Germany to Mexico, then ship them from Mexico to the U.S. without paying import duties?
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There are no import duties on imported cars just a 25% duty on imported trucks. I think that the astra sold in Mexico may be made there or in Brazil, probably not Europe, but I am not sure.

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Old 02-16-2006, 02:34 PM   #44
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Default Re: Should GM Import the Opel Astra from Europe as Saturn's Next Small Car?

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The dimensions I gave were for the hatchback, not the sedan or 5 door. The Astra wouldn't feel cramped since most of it's interior dimensions are the same as the Ion Quadcoupe. The Astra does compare dimensionally with the Mazda 3 - the 5dr Astra and Mazda 3 5dr are practically the same size, and they don't seem to have any trouble selling as many of those that they can make. The Corolla is about the same as the Ion, except it has more headroom and rear seat legroom; the Matrix is wider, taller, has more headroom, rearseat legroom and a wider track than the Ion. The Astra is bigger than the S-series and we've all owned at least one of those and raved about it, some of us still do. The 91-96 SC were smaller inside than a Geo Metro and no one complained; the SL's are smaller inside than any Cavalier; the Astra is palatial compared to the S-series. I'm just suggesting we don't shoot it down for being too small when all we have to judge it are photos and hunches that it's the same size as something in a different niche. Let's wait and see.
I agree, Mazda 3, Matrix and Vibe seem to sell. Not my style, but others are free to buy'em.

I've driven SLs for many years. Interior-wise, IMO, they're pretty similar to the Ion except for more front leg room, front seat travel and trunk space in the Ion. The SL is 9-10 inches longer than the Astra - I suspect most of that must be in the SL's trunk. Come to think of it, I've driven quite a few Cavalier/Sunfires and never noticed a lot more space than my SL.

I did a hands-on comparison of 05/06 Corolla/Ion. Ion is fine for me. But even with the Corolla seat all the way back, the steering wheel was at my chest and my head was practically touching the roof. I couldn't believe how much it's shrunk - we have an older Corolla in addition to our Saturn, and it's fine, similar interior space to the SL/Ion, maybe even a bit more rear seat room.

If Astra has as much interior space as an Ion or SL, that's good, but none of those are what I'd call palatial.

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Old 02-16-2006, 03:27 PM   #45
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If the the US does not have the capability of manufacturing the Astra/ION, then it's not taking jobs away from Americans. Even though it's made overseas, it's by an American company. I suspect that the importing is a stop-gap measure until production can be worked out stateside.

Does anyone have any theories about which model years we are talking about? Will we see a 2008 Saturn Astra? Or maybe even a 2007? Current rumors suggest that the ION line in Spring Hill will run through the end of calendar year 2006, which means we will have some 2007 IONs. Maybe we'll have an early 2008 Saturn Astra. I hope that is the case. I want to see this car here as soon as possible!

Where is the Astra in its product cycle? Isn't it scheduled for an update for 2009?

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Old 02-16-2006, 04:04 PM   #46
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Hatchbacks are almost always smaller than sedans of the same model. The Ford Focus is under 170" long in hatchback form but above 175" as a sedan.

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Old 02-16-2006, 04:05 PM   #47
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Saturn is SO becomeing the next Oldsmobile, and getting away from the old GEO brand. Saturn was pretty much the GEO replacement. The original SC and the GEO Storm look a lot alike. GEO was the cheap, entry level brand below Chevy, for GM. Saturn WAS the cheap entry level brand below Chevy, but the doors didn't dent. Now you can get the VUE dressed up with a chrome package, the Relay starts with a base price above the Uplander (and I've heard the SV6 does too, but I'm not sure). Olds used to be all dressed up with chrome, and was the test bed for new technologies for GM. And who is getting the first GM Hybrid? (The Silverado doesn't count) Saturn is quickly filling the strangely shaped hole left by Oldsmobile, and it has successfully carried on from GEO, without suffering the same pathetic fate, at least not yet.
No, GEO had nothing to do with Saturn in the corporate planning. Geo was to be a specifically foreign cars based brand. None of those cars were built by GM [except the collaborative Prizm with Toyota] but rebadges of Suzuki and Isuzu products.The problem was that no one bought charade of GEO being a GM division or that it even mattered in the hierarchy. It was a sub brand FOR Chevrolet, with some of the badges even showing a little bow tie in the center. GEO was something Japanese for Chevy to sell since they couldn't or wouldn't design a decent small car for themselves. The business model was QUITE different from Saturn.
The hope was that people would go on to Olds FROM Saturn. Olds even studied the way Saturn did business in the early years.
The SC looks like the Storm and the 95-up Cavalier 2 door. They have the same elements, but the SL is a dead ringer for the Cutlass Supreme GM10 with the wrap around rear window and general styling

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Old 02-16-2006, 04:09 PM   #48
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Default Re: Should GM Import the Opel Astra from Europe as Saturn's Next Small Car?

The Opel web site sure makes this look like a really nice car. One can only hope that the bean counters at GM dont "dumb up" this car too much. From a business viewpoint GM should bring this in, then if it takes off maybe build them here later. The only bad part is that this goes aginst the phillosophy of Saturn in the first place. GM will win some fans and loose some.

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Old 02-16-2006, 04:15 PM   #49
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1st gen SC/SC2:


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I've thought for some time now that there is a strong resemblance between these cars' styling.

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Old 02-16-2006, 06:05 PM   #50
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At this point I have to say I don't care. I have no objection to them doing it especially if it is the only way Saturn keeps a small car in its line-up. At the same time I will also say I won't buy one just because it wears a Saturn label. The car needs to be reliable, meet my driving needs and most importantly be priced right for me to buy one. I'll judge that only after I know more.

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Old 02-16-2006, 06:09 PM   #51
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Wow...can I post a little more about this subject?


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I'll take that one too

They've been teasing us with the possibility of the Astra as a Saturn for three years now!
I wish we had a concrete answer if this is going to happen or not.
And I don't want to wait another three years

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Old 02-16-2006, 07:41 PM   #52
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This Convertible roadster is nice...
http://www.motorhuis.nl/personenautos/opel/nieuws/2490/

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Old 02-16-2006, 07:44 PM   #53
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I wouldn't buy one for the same reason I didn't buy a Catera. I knew they'd follow in Merkur's footsteps. They were great to drive but the resale value and long term viablity are horrible. Ebay has lots of them very cheap with bad engines.

Oh, and Astra is too close to Astre which was a Pontiac version of the Vega.

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Old 02-16-2006, 08:14 PM   #54
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Here's some specs comparing the Astra with the Ion QC:

Length - QC:185 / Astra: 169 (BTW, that's only 8 inches front and rear difference, which is nothing)
Wheelbase - QC: 103 / Astra: 102
Width - QC:67.9 / Astra: 68
Height - QC: 56 / Astra: 56
Track f/r QC:58.8/58.4 / Astra: 58/57.6

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Legroom f/r QC:42/32 / Astra:42/33.7
Headroom f/r QC: 38.9/36.5 / Astra: 37.8/37
Shoulder room f/r QC:54/51 / Astra: 52/43

Seems pretty darn close to me. ....
Saturn_69, you forgot one important detail: Europe uses the metric system.

So the QC measurements are in inches and the Astra's are in centimeters.

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Old 02-16-2006, 08:17 PM   #55
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Here's some specs comparing the Astra with the Ion QC:

Length - QC:185 / Astra: 169 (BTW, that's only 8 inches front and rear difference, which is nothing)
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But seriously, check your numbers: Only 8 inches difference?

I'm seeing over a foot's difference.

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Old 02-16-2006, 08:22 PM   #56
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Oh, and Astra is too close to Astre which was a Pontiac version of the Vega.
And Astro (long lived/dependable Chevy mini van) is just as close to Astra as is Astre!!

I have just joined in on the most silly post ever.

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Old 02-16-2006, 09:06 PM   #57
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And Astro (long lived/dependable Chevy mini van) is just as close to Astra as is Astre!!.
How could I forget that one??? Now, its definitely too similar to other GM names. How about the NARO (Not Another Rebadged Opel).

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Old 02-16-2006, 09:08 PM   #58
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personally the real issue should be plastic or steel. i don't know about you guys but the car company is different mostly because of the thermoplastic -- u no -- no rust, easy to replace and a reliable car. am i wrong.?!!!!!!!!:

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I am not a huge hatchback fan, but it's not completely ugly. It would be nice if they brought the design to the States and put some of the thousands of out of work auto workers back to works instead of fueling the economies of foriegn countries.

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Thanks for that...TEASE. When can I get one here in the US?

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