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Old 01-31-2006, 08:14 PM   #21
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Is there another longer/larger oil filter that would fit the saturn? Seems like the largest one that would fit would be the best choice. If anyone does this, can you give brand/part #..
I use Pro-line 20195 from Pepboys.

Same filter as Purolator Premium Plus except cheaper. 2 years ago they were $1.99, now they're at $3.

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Old 01-31-2006, 08:40 PM   #22
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Used to use Fram all the time (when I could buy them 2 for $4...). Switched to NAPA/Wix Silverline version that run $2.59. I personally think that the Wix are slightly better (more media in them) for the price.

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Old 02-01-2006, 05:42 AM   #23
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I used to run exclusively Fram on my cars until I stumbled on those sites lile bobsoil and hte mopar site that told the truth about them. Before that, when I worked for the family mechanic as a teen, we used to use the filter brand that belonged to the car manufacturer (Motorcraft for Ford, AC Delco for GM, etc).

Now, I am in overkill on oil filters. I run a K&N oil filter model 1002. Yes, they are expensive as hell at $12.00 a filter (not to mention I run Mobil 1 full synthetic too). However, since I changed to them, I have ZERO oil consumption. I also note that I can go 2000 miles before the oil gets fairly dark in color. The filter may not be responsible for the lack of oil consumption (though it is odd) but I know it is filtering better then the old Fram 3614's

Oh, and yes, even though it costs me 32.00 -35.00 just for supplies, I still change my oil every 3000 miles (which is around 6 weeks or so).

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Old 02-01-2006, 05:58 AM   #24
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I use Pro-line 20195 from Pepboys.

Same filter as Purolator Premium Plus except cheaper. 2 years ago they were $1.99, now they're at $3.
It's not Purolater Premium Plus, it's Purolator Pure One. It's the one I use a PL20195. There aren't any Pep Boys handy arouns here.

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Old 02-01-2006, 09:20 AM   #25
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I'm pretty sure it is a plus, not a pure one.

Seeing how a plus is cheaper than pure one. Plus is closer to pro-line's price.

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Old 02-01-2006, 12:53 PM   #26
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It's not Purolater Premium Plus, it's Purolator Pure One. It's the one I use a PL20195. There aren't any Pep Boys handy arouns here.
The pepboy line (Proline) is the same as the Premium plus. Go cut one open and you will see. the Proline does not have the silicone ADBV like the Pure one does. Plus the Pure one has a better media than the Premium plus. Proline is the same as the Premium plus with little less media area.

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Old 02-01-2006, 01:12 PM   #27
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They have their SuperTech filters. I've used those on every vehicle I've owned, and they've been great thus far, never had any seal problems or otherwise.
That SuperTech is a re-badged AC PF53. I've been using the AC filter over ten years and almost 400,000 miles in my '95 Saturn, and Bosch premium in my 2002 Acura RSX. Although Fram makes other grades of filters that are better than the ones being discussed, that base filter is crap. If you pull it apart, you'll notice the cardboard endplate that supports the bypass valve, and it appears the assembly is held on with some sort of thread. Sorry, not in my engines.

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Old 02-01-2006, 02:10 PM   #28
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A lot of brands of filters share the same manufacturer. Purolator makes Advance Auto Parts Totalgrip and Proline. Champion Labs makes most AC Delco, Supertech, STP, and a lot of other manufacturers.

When filters are made by the same mfr, it doesn't mean that they are the same. Construction quality and design is the same, but usually the amount and quality of the filtering media is different.

As an example, I cut open a certain size filter (not Saturn size) from Purolator Prem Plus, AAP, and Pro-line. Prem Plus and Proline were similar media, but the AAP filter had thinner media paper.

Filters I think are notable are:

Purolator Pure One : One of the best filtering filters around at a decent price with a silicone anti-drainback valve. Flow is less than others. Bypass valve design isn't very good.
Supertech: At $2.07, a great price on a filter with a good balance between filtering and flow.
Wix/NAPA Gold: Great bypass design so that oil doesn't wash over dirty media on cold weather starts. Silicone anti drainback works well on horizontally mounted saturn filters. Unfortunately, filtering element is shorter than most competitors to make room for the anti drainback. Hard to find at a good price in some areas. (I use the oversized version of this one year round personally on my Saturn, winter only on other cars.)
Purolator Premium Plus: One of the best flowing filters that filters well, too. Same bypass as Pure One, standard rubber anti-drainback.
K&N: Poor filtering, good flow, way overpriced.

Information came from Bob is the Oil Guy and personal experience.

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Old 02-02-2006, 11:15 AM   #29
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The Auto Zone ValueCraft filter can be yours for $1.99. Take that same identical filter, spot weld a hex nut on the end, paint it white, put it in a K&N box, and you're in it for $12.48! Check it out.

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Old 02-11-2006, 10:56 AM   #30
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Default Re: Why does everyone hate FRAM oil filters here?

well on my 1998sc2 and my 1997 sl1 i use the mopar 409 filter if i dont have a pf53 in hand. my jeep i use the 1090 filter from mopar(because i work at a jeep dealer)

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Old 02-12-2006, 10:47 PM   #31
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Nobody mentioned the Fram Extended Guard 7000 mile oil filter (XG3614) for our Saturn S Series. It is sold at WalMart for $9.98. After using one in my daughter's 97 SL2 for 5000 miles, I cut it apart - I was impressed, screening material all around a well designed filtering element plus other good features.

Of course more expensive; in this extremely competitive world you get what you pay for. FRAM is trying to makes things right, FOR A PRICE.

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Old 02-14-2006, 07:28 AM   #32
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My main question is that I've pretty much always used FRAMs in all my cars... But I was researching and reading random things, and I've come into more than a few posts that say stay away from FRAM filters... Could anyone shine some light on the reasoning why?
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Because a lot of people are turned on by the prospect of buying rarer or more expensive brands of parts and their against anything that is readily available or less expensive. They're the same people who insist on buying Michelins. I never had a problem with FRAM (or STP or Purolator either).

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Old 02-14-2006, 07:35 AM   #33
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the bypass kicks in so nothing goes boom. when you change your oil and 3 days later, it's completely black after less than 300 miles of driving,
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Have you tried this with all the other brands of filters? I bet the oil looks the same.

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Old 03-06-2006, 08:43 PM   #34
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well i personally use whatever the store im in has in stock,which is mostly fram and sometimes ac delco. after seeing this thread i think i will avoid fram filters.there is hardly a noticable price difference so what will it hurt to get ac delco. 50 cents?.its a no brainer for me..thanks for the info

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Old 03-07-2006, 09:19 PM   #35
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http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
When you first go to this page and see MOPAR at the top don't let that dissuade you untill you read his conclusion on MOPAR Filters. "It should be clear that Mopar filters are really nothing special. Unless you are trying to have a perfect restoration and need that Mopar logo, there is no reason why you should be buying Mopar oil filters. Most of them seem to currently be Purolators or Champions, but that could change at any time."

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:18 PM   #36
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Here are some other filter comparisions that are good and a little more recent:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=6;t=003066

And this one that actually tested filtering and flow.

http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/

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Old 03-08-2006, 04:48 PM   #37
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I have been changing my own oil on my cars for over 34 years. (In lawn mowers, with no oil filter, longer than that.) Have used Fram oil filters probably 80% of the time. Have never had an engine problem due to a bad filter. I agree with other's analysis, if you change your oil and filter regularly, you should be okay. If you don't like Fram, don't buy it. Also as others have pointed out, other filters may be built by Fram with a different label. It is hard to keep up with it all. However, it is interesting to know how the various brand filters are constructed.

Fresh oil will begin turn black within the first 1000 miles of driving regardless what filter you use. Most oils you buy contain detergents and it is capturing the minute particles of soot that are generated by the engine operation. It is helping keep the inside of your engine clean along with the filter. Detergent oil is suppose to turn black.

The oil filter helps contain larger particles that come from the engine operation such as metal particles or sludge. Metal particles could add to engine or bearing wear over time and sludge could clog oil passages and again add to engine wear with lack of lubrication.

For what it is worth, I also regularly use Fram air filters.

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:50 PM   #38
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I think it's funny I ran into this thread here. In the motorcycle world we bash Fram as well. They are a cheaper filter for sure. I use either AC/Delco, Motorcraft,Bosch, K&N and use OEM filters in my bikes.

The amount of pleats and the fact that they use cardboard instead of other materials is the reason I stay away from Fram now.

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I have put in over 5 fram oil filters. I have yet to have a bad thing happen. No cracks, no blow outs, no blockige. I always bought them and always will as long as they keep working like they been.

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well on my 1998sc2 and my 1997 sl1 i use the mopar 409 filter if i dont have a pf53 in hand. my jeep i use the 1090 filter from mopar(because i work at a jeep dealer)
For your S series, if you want an extended capacity filter, try a MOPAR 4781452BA. This filter is for 3.7L and 2.4L Turbo Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep engines. It is a long 409, in reality, and a Purolator. Good filter. I've run them on my Saturn(s) since I can remember. Engine oil capacity is now 4.25L Keeps it good and clean. More oil, and more filter media to handle the same job as stock. If you want, go to a parts store, and see what they have to offer for a Jeep Liberty 3.7L in your brand of choice. That's a good way to get YOUR filter in the bigger size.

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