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Old 11-22-2005, 01:03 PM   #1
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Do not see a forum yet for the Outlook so I am posting here for all the fellow Vue owners. Pics are pretty heavily disguised but I like what I can see. Seating for 7 and room under the hood for a V-8. Check out the link and if anyone has seen any pics of testing w/o the disguise please post!

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Old 11-22-2005, 07:43 PM   #2
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Ugh.

The Outlook (and it's entire class of vehicles) is totaly not the answer. I don't mind 7 seater vehicles-they are called minivans-but the "status symbol" SUV is loony.

For Saturn's sake though, I hope it sells well.

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Old 11-22-2005, 11:01 PM   #3
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Ugh.

The Outlook (and it's entire class of vehicles) is totaly not the answer. I don't mind 7 seater vehicles-they are called minivans-but the "status symbol" SUV is loony.

For Saturn's sake though, I hope it sells well.
Not the answer to what? If it's not what you want, don't buy it. If it has the same capabilities as a TrailBlazer and good looks and safety and is *reasonably* efficient and reliable, it may do pretty well. Sure, hopefully it will have some features to distinguish it from it's GM platform-mates, but I think there are probably quite a few people who would buy it. I think in the past there have been plenty of people who would have bought a Saturn, except for the fact that they didn't want or need an S-car or ION. Now that Saturn is actually having more than a couple of models, their overall appeal will expand accordingly.

I like the shape of it, from what I can see. No sense getting all worked up about it until we've got "90% production ready" models to gaze upon.

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Old 11-22-2005, 11:07 PM   #4
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It menations the "Vue CUV" what's a CUV? Is this a typo? Does it mean Crossover Utitliy Vehicle?

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Old 11-23-2005, 07:44 AM   #5
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Crossover Utitliy Vehicle?
Bingo....or something similar to that.

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Old 11-23-2005, 07:46 AM   #6
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If it has the same capabilities as a TrailBlazer and good looks and safety and is *reasonably* efficient and reliable, it may do pretty well.
Well, it isn't a body-on-frame truck design like the Trailblazer. I doubt you'll see anywhere near the HP and towing/hauling capacity as the TB, but hopefully it will get better mileage.

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Old 11-23-2005, 07:46 AM   #7
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Ugh.

The Outlook (and it's entire class of vehicles) is totaly not the answer. I don't mind 7 seater vehicles-they are called minivans-but the "status symbol" SUV is loony.

For Saturn's sake though, I hope it sells well.

I have to agree with this statement.

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Old 11-23-2005, 09:08 AM   #8
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Ugh.

The Outlook (and it's entire class of vehicles) is totaly not the answer. I don't mind 7 seater vehicles-they are called minivans-but the "status symbol" SUV is loony.
So because it has swinging doors instead of sliding doors, you call it an SUV and hate it?

Really, what's the difference between the Outlook and a minivan? Or a Pacifica and a Town & Country?

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Old 11-23-2005, 10:03 AM   #9
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I don't think the Saturn Outlook has a very good "outlook". I think it'll be a nice looking vehicle, but I doubt it will sell well. I could be wrong though.

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Old 11-23-2005, 10:38 AM   #10
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I don't think the Saturn Outlook has a very good "outlook". I think it'll be a nice looking vehicle, but I doubt it will sell well.
Why??

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Old 11-23-2005, 10:53 AM   #11
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Why??
For the same reason the Relay doesn't sell well. Saturn only survives because of a certain image, and larger, 7 passenger vehicles don't really fit in.

Saturn's strengths to me are small, efficient and practical cars. It's like Scion making a full-size SUV, doesn't make much sense. Especially within a parent company like GM that has many better brands to sell such a vehicle through.

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Old 11-23-2005, 10:55 AM   #12
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Why??
+1.
The Pacifica didn't have strong sales to start with due to the price. I'm not sure how it's doing now.
I don't know how the Freestyle is doing, but from what I see around here I'd say it's doing pretty well.
Hyundai is going to be putting out a crossover to this effect as well within the next couple years. This market is just getting started....

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Old 11-23-2005, 11:03 AM   #13
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For the same reason the Relay doesn't sell well. Saturn only survives because of a certain image, and larger, 7 passenger vehicles don't really fit in.
The reason for that is that Saturn is an unfamiliar name in the minivan market.

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Saturn's strengths to me are small, efficient and practical cars.
If this were the case, the S-Series would have been updated more often and Saturn would have been more successful in the compact market.

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It's like Scion making a full-size SUV, doesn't make much sense. Especially within a parent company like GM that has many better brands to sell such a vehicle through.
Scion is different though. When people want a larger car, they're supposed to move from a Scion to a Toyota-brand car. People don't necessarily want to move from a Saturn to a different GM brand car.

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Old 11-23-2005, 11:08 AM   #14
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The reason for that is that Saturn is an unfamiliar name in the minivan market.

If this were the case, the S-Series would have been updated more often and Saturn would have been more successful in the compact market.

Scion is different though. When people want a larger car, they're supposed to move from a Scion to a Toyota-brand car. People don't necessarily want to move from a Saturn to a different GM brand car.
Yes, Saturn is unfamiliar in the minivan market, that sort of supports what I said initially The Relay has been out long enough to show up on the radar of minivan shoppers. It just doesn't because a.) Most people just don't want a Saturn minivan over other choices and b.) The Relay isn't really even competitive with other vans in the market.

Saturn's success in the compact market is the only reason they're still around.

Plenty of people would jump from a Saturn to another GM product. Regardless, I doubt GM really gives a crap. Saturn's market share is so pathetically low, they probably don't really care about those people cross-shopping GM brands.

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Old 11-23-2005, 11:09 AM   #15
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I imagine it will be similar to a Honda Pilot just larger, more powerful, more luxurious, and more costly.

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Old 11-23-2005, 11:11 AM   #16
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+1.
The Pacifica didn't have strong sales to start with due to the price. I'm not sure how it's doing now.
I don't know how the Freestyle is doing, but from what I see around here I'd say it's doing pretty well.
Hyundai is going to be putting out a crossover to this effect as well within the next couple years. This market is just getting started....
Pacifica is still a sales dud.

The Freestyle's demise is already planned for the near future

I agree the market is strong....for a good product. To me, the Vue is a good product in the crossover market. However, I'm still not sure that consumers really want a Saturn when they buy that big SUV. I wouldn't.....call me pretentious I guess.

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Yes, Saturn is unfamiliar in the minivan market, that sort of supports what I said initially The Relay has been out long enough to show up on the radar of minivan shoppers. It just doesn't because a.) Most people just don't want a Saturn minivan over other choices and b.) The Relay isn't really even competitive with other vans in the market.

Saturn's success in the compact market is the only reason they're still around.

Plenty of people would jump from a Saturn to another GM product. Regardless, I doubt GM really gives a crap. Saturn's market share is so pathetically low, they probably don't really care about those people cross-shopping GM brands.
A lot of people moved from import cars to Saturn, with the mindset that they wouldn't buy an American car. Several Saturn owners have had a Saturn compact, and wanted to upgrade to a midsize, SUV, or minivan. Once they offer these things the buyers stay in the market. They may want the better customer service at Saturn too.

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Old 11-23-2005, 11:20 AM   #18
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Pacifica is still a sales dud.
Not surprised...it's expensive and heavy. The engine puts out about the same horsepower as the 3.5 V6 in the VUE and Hondas, but it's still slow.


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Ford will reportedly cease production the current CD3-based Freestyle and will instead use the name on a smaller crossover based on the Mazda-engineered CD3 platform. At the same time, the replacements for Ford's minivan models will switch from the CD3 to the D3, effectively switching places with the Freestyle in the company's product mix. The 2007 Mercury crossover will continue on the D3, however. Ford could also cancel the Freestyle line in favor of the similar CD3 Ford Edge.
Ford, Mazda, and Lincoln are all supposed to have a 5-seat crossover, and this may supplement the new Freestyle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD3_platform

BTW, Freestyle sales are apparently increasing monthly.

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Old 11-23-2005, 11:24 AM   #19
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Not sure how to interpret this:
It means that obviously they aren't "doing well".

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I don't know how the Freestyle is doing, but from what I see around here I'd say it's doing pretty well.
Since when does a good seller only survive 3 model years? The whole reason the current version is going away is because it hasn't been selling well. I could care less if the name stays, that's irrelevant to your original point.

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A lot of people moved from import cars to Saturn, with the mindset that they wouldn't buy an American car. Several Saturn owners have had a Saturn compact, and wanted to upgrade to a midsize, SUV, or minivan. Once they offer these things the buyers stay in the market. They may want the better customer service at Saturn too.
Sorry, the current market of Saturn owners is not large enough to justify pumping out larger vehicles through the Saturn nameplate.

This trickle-up theory isn't really efficient.

I do agree about the customer service though.

In the end, we'll have to agree to disagree. I just see no way that this SUV is going to sell well. History and logic just aren't on its side....

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