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Old 06-07-2006, 02:28 AM   #21
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

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Cant agree more. Have seen a few trans problems solved by changing fluid and using stock trans filter over aftermarket..... reason maybe?

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Old 06-07-2006, 02:31 AM   #22
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Now let's do the math with the autotranny and Mobil 1 ATF.

So Mobil 1 is $6/qt. How much is conventional, maybe $2/qt? So, a difference of $4/qt, times 7 qts, is $28. Over a 30,000 use interval, that's about $0.001 per mile. A tenth of a penny. Maybe a nickel a day, perhaps a dime if you drive a LOT. The food energy to fire the brain cells to think about this is worth more.
With that logic, you could change the trans fluid and filter every 12-15k instead with regular dex, will still be clean, and serve the same purpose.... Regular Dex3 is fine, when changed regularly.... If you are going to change it every 30k or so, Mobil1 ATF wont make that big of a difference to justify the expense..... now if you want to stretch it to 60k or so, then feel free. Mobil1 atf is good stuff, dont get me wrong. Just isnt needed in a saturn trans if changing it regularly.

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Old 06-08-2006, 03:41 AM   #23
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

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With that logic, you could change the trans fluid and filter every 12-15k instead with regular dex, will still be clean, and serve the same purpose.... Regular Dex3 is fine, when changed regularly.... If you are going to change it every 30k or so, Mobil1 ATF wont make that big of a difference to justify the expense..... now if you want to stretch it to 60k or so, then feel free. Mobil1 atf is good stuff, dont get me wrong. Just isnt needed in a saturn trans if changing it regularly.
This is perhaps so...but tis Dextron 3 even changed at the 30K intervals that nets more than a few folks sticky valvebody actuators and the dreaded reverse slam...that can loosen the input shaft nut etc.. etc..

Its Mobil 1 ATF and at 30k changes, factory filters.... and still trouble free at 110k+ for me.

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Old 06-08-2006, 10:29 PM   #24
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

Not to mention the added expense of twice as many trans filters, and the time to do the procedure.

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Old 08-19-2006, 08:43 PM   #25
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

Wolfman, I've used aftermarket Fram tranny filters (bows head in shame) on my car since the OEM filter said "Made by Fram" I no longer have that magnet. If I order an OEM filter, does it come with a new magnet? Do I still need one?

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Old 08-31-2006, 09:57 PM   #26
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Wolfman, I've used aftermarket Fram tranny filters (bows head in shame) on my car since the OEM filter said "Made by Fram" I no longer have that magnet. If I order an OEM filter, does it come with a new magnet? Do I still need one?

I want to know also.

I had my trans serviced and a non-Saturn filter was used. I won't know if the magnet is there until I go change the fluid. I have a new OEM filter and it does not include a magnet. Can you get the magnet from the dealer?

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Old 09-01-2006, 07:34 AM   #27
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

Yes, (maybe?) but after the initial fluid change at 30k miles, the magnet is more extra insurance than necessary. You can accomplish essentially the same thing with one of those readily available external "oil filter magnets" if you so desire.

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Old 09-06-2006, 06:39 PM   #28
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

I'm buying an ATF filter tomorrow. I'm going to stop by a Saturn dealer first, does anyone know wha the part number on the box should be so I can know for sure that I'm getting the good, original OEM filter and nor something cheaper that Saturn may have switched to in Canada?

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Old 09-09-2006, 02:45 PM   #29
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

First off, great how-to Wolfman!

The question I have is about a do-it-yourself flush of the fluid. From what I have read, removing the cooling line to allow the old fluid to drain while adding new fluid in equal amounts should flush out the remaining old fluid left during a regular drain. I'm about to swap the fluid on my wife's SL1 which has about 115,000 miles on it and I don't believe it's ever been changed so I figured that a complete change is in order.

Any advice or warnings would be appreciated!

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Old 09-09-2006, 06:39 PM   #30
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Default Re: "S" Series automatic transaxle fluid/filter change

The "S" series has an external spin on filter and drains from the differential sump. NO FLUSH IS NEEDED. I highly recommend AGAINST flushing an MP6/MP7 TAAT autotransaxle.

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Old 09-09-2006, 07:49 PM   #31
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The "S" series has an external spin on filter and drains from the differential sump. NO FLUSH IS NEEDED. I highly recommend AGAINST flushing an MP6/MP7 TAAT autotransaxle.
Wow, that makes it so much easier...and a lot less messy. I noticed that this afternoon as I was crawling underneath to take a look and didn't see a pan like I expected. Instead, it simply drains. Gotta love it. Thanks again!

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Old 01-29-2007, 10:29 AM   #32
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Not just a bump to the top.


I just bought a 96 sl2 with 75,000 miles on it. The trans fluid was changed 1000 miles and 1.5 years ago (not many miles the last few years on this car). My question is how long will the fluid be good, maybee put another 10,000 miles on the oil, then change it to be safe?

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Old 02-11-2007, 10:09 AM   #33
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98 SC2: For the past 3 filter changes, and one drain/refill, I have used Wix tranny filters, but I don't think I have used that great of fluid. It shifts great, no problems whatsoever, and the fluid is so clean, it is hard to read on the dipstick. The only problem I have is that when you put it in park/neutral, after a few seconds, you can feel the tranny "release" a bit. And, the other day, when I was in park, it felt like the car was trying to move forward, and relaese, then move forward and release when it was in park, after having driven for a short while, albeit subtley.

Recommendations? I can get a Saturn filter, but I no nothing about this magnet. I can get one of those filter magnets, from whom?

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Old 02-11-2007, 12:06 PM   #34
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Recommendations? I can get a Saturn filter, but I no nothing about this magnet. I can get one of those filter magnets, from whom?
The magnet isn't really required after the first filter change, but some do keep it in there. The reason for the OE filter over aftermarket, I believe has to do with flow, and how the filter openings line-up with the tranny passages.

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Recommendations? I can get a Saturn filter, but I no nothing about this magnet. I can get one of those filter magnets, from whom?
For future reference, the filter I bought from a Saturn dealership here in Canada was a FilTech brand, part #21003361 ($18.10 CND). It didn't come with a magnet and as Woolfman already posted, you don't really need it anymore.

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Suggestions on reading the dipstick?

Maybe I'm a fool but I seriously cannot tell where the level is on the dipstick.
I too am curious of this. I was checking my fluid this evening. I could not even tell where the line was. The fluid on the rag was light red. But seemed translucent on the dip stick.

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Old 10-02-2007, 11:00 AM   #37
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Idea 2.5 Gallon Drain Pan, Free, plus spigot

I've been preparing to change the fluid (and run the Wolfman Reverse Slam Cure) and have been watching for an appropriate catch pan. Want one that's easy to pour from, into the empty bottles...

My wife wants me to do something with these empty big rectangular Spring Water bottles. One was repurposed to hold dirty fry oil. Another two had the back ends removed which became nice little marinating trays.

I will slice off the top of another 2 1/2 gallon bottle and drain my ATF into it. The spigot should make the filling of empties practically painless.

If it turns out to not be a big enough opening, I will report back right here...

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7 quarts of clean ATF (Mobil 1 synthetic ATF HIGHLY recommended)
Replacement transaxle filter (Buy it from SATURN, not the autoparts store)


If I use a replacement filter from the autopart store, what happens? Can jiffy-lube change my oil? I don't have the time to do it myself.


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Can jiffy-lube change my oil? I don't have the time to do it myself.
It'll take less time to change your own oil than it will to contact the BBB, your state's Attorney General's office, your attorney, etc. etc. after they fail to tighten your drain plug, put the wrong product in, fail to do a service for which they charge you, overtighten something, or any of the other host of things for which they're notorious for doing. I wouldn't trust them to change my Christmas tree air freshener.

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Don't go to any corporate chain or franchise type place. They have fixed prices they have to charge for an ATF service based on dropping the pan or going thorugh the cooler lines and they probably aren't allowed to make exceptions.

Instead, buy the ATF & Filter yourself and find an independent shop that's not to busy and doesn't b#tch about customers being in the garage to oversee the work.

Phone to get their labor charge on an oil change with customer supplied parts. Then go and offer them the job for the same money plus a $5 or $10 tip - it's the same procedure except it takes a few minutes longer to pour the ATF in slowly and be more careful with the filter removal.

If they don't believe you at first (it happens...), open the hood and show them the external spin-on filter.

As you may have seen for yourself, with a SOHC there is no need to do any disassembly - the filter can be reached by hand in between the block and the Air Intake duct without removing anything.

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