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Old 09-14-2005, 08:23 PM   #1
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Default Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

What's the difference between the two and which would you suggest? Please explain why you feel that way, thanks!

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Old 09-14-2005, 08:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

one draws air from inside the engine bay
the other draws air from the outside.

Which one is better is dependent on you.
Drive in rain, you'll have to worry about the CAI
Drive in dust alot, you'll have to clean the CAI alot.
Drive in normal california weather, the CAI is better, drive in floodgate florida alot and you'll worry about sucking in water...

really it doesn't matter which you get. The CAI gives a little better performance, but that should help you weigh the decidison on what to get. I personally have the AEM CAI, and love it. But rarely do i drive through 2 feet of water.

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Old 09-14-2005, 08:49 PM   #3
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

Down here in Mesa, it's dry all year long, we get like 1" rain a year lol. With this in mind, should I just get a short ram intake? I don't really want to spend $230 on a CAI, I'd rather spend $100 and get the same thing, but I was just wanting to clerify the quality before I run out and buy it lol.

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Old 09-14-2005, 09:23 PM   #4
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

My advice stay away from the Ebay products. Most of them are crap.

Go to www.checkpointautoaccessories.com

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Old 09-14-2005, 09:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

I would definately go with the cold air intake. It will give you about 10hp. The short air ram will do a little, but the difference will be negligable. Get a KN filter, remove your resonator, and punch some extra holes in the bottom of the air box. For $50, you'll have about the same performance as a short air ram.

I made a CAI out of dryer tubing, only cause I'm poor and don't show off under the hood. While it's not the optimal set up, I did notice a big increase in power, and it really helps my gas milage if I drive conservatively with it.

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Old 09-14-2005, 09:52 PM   #6
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goto www.aempower.com and look at the dyno results of the Short Ram vs. Cold Air. on a Saturn

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Old 09-15-2005, 05:11 AM   #7
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

CAI's give slightly better performance than a short ram. the difference in performance isn't huge (not huge enough to justify the price differences) but if you're looking to suck all you can out of your engine then pick up a CAI.

Technically a short ram isn't the best way to go performance wise. An air box with a drop in filter and aluminum piping would outperform a short ram.

But if you're too cheap and you just want a cool sound, buy a short ram.

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Old 09-15-2005, 06:08 AM   #8
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

In Mesa, it will be so hot under the hood of your car that you could even lose some performance with a WAI. I'd go with the CAI assuming you have a 5spd.

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Old 09-15-2005, 07:24 AM   #9
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

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In Mesa, it will be so hot under the hood of your car that you could even lose some performance with a WAI. I'd go with the CAI assuming you have a 5spd.
Exactly what I was going to say. The CAI will keep your engine running cooler, as it will suck in cooler air.

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:30 AM   #10
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

gotcha thanks everyone. Now where can I find an AEM CAI for >$200? Will I have to save up for a little longer or will I be able to get one for $200 from anywhere/one?

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:33 AM   #11
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The CAI will keep your engine running cooler, as it will suck in cooler air.
So how come the car runs at the same temp in the summer and the winter? Oh, that's because intake air does little to effect engine running temp.

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Old 09-15-2005, 04:52 PM   #12
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

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gotcha thanks everyone. Now where can I find an AEM CAI for >$200? Will I have to save up for a little longer or will I be able to get one for $200 from anywhere/one?
aem's cai for a saturn are around $260 almost at any place that sells them. the only exception is ebay where i've seen them around $210 at the cheapest.

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:15 PM   #13
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So how come the car runs at the same temp in the summer and the winter? Oh, that's because intake air does little to effect engine running temp.

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While the coolant temperature should stay at roughly the same level, I imagine the intake manifold and TB will run cooler with a CAI vs. WAI, and in general, the air charge coming into the cylinder should be a bit cooler. Whether or not there's a measurable difference, I have no idea... but I'd figure there would be.

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:55 PM   #14
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SRA Pros: Cheaper, no need for bypass, filter stays cleaner longer
Cons: Sucks up hot, less dense air. less Horsepower gains, not in airflow
CAI: Pros: Sucks up cold denser air, more horsepower, and filter is in the airflow.
Cons: More expensive, need a bypass to avoid hydrolock, and filter gets dirty, fast.

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Old 09-15-2005, 10:49 PM   #15
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While the coolant temperature should stay at roughly the same level, I imagine the intake manifold and TB will run cooler with a CAI vs. WAI, and in general, the air charge coming into the cylinder should be a bit cooler. Whether or not there's a measurable difference, I have no idea... but I'd figure there would be.
There is no difference in engine/coolant temp if you have a CAI, WAI or stock airbox.

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Old 09-16-2005, 05:55 AM   #16
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

I think this site www.autoanything.com will best explain this question. Plus many more performance questions, in full detail.

Once your at the website, scroll down to where it says Research Guides and click on Air Intake Systems.

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Old 09-20-2005, 10:51 PM   #17
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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

As SL1budgettuner said, Cold air is denser, therefore bringing more oxygen into the engine. And the high-flow filter helps alot too.

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What's the difference between the two and which would you suggest? Please explain why you feel that way, thanks!
Most people have forgot the obvious question. You have a SC1, so its a SOHC. Do you also have a automatic?

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Default Re: Short Ram Intake or Cold Air Intake?

Hey, he's right. Isn't that something? Applefool mentioned that too, "assuming you have a 5spd." Assuming you are looking for an intake to purchase for your car (2001 SC1) if it is an automatic you are out of luck, no room for a CAI in those suckers. Even if you have a manual (they have them at SPS if i read it correctly) most people think it isn't worth putting performance parts on a SOHC if you planned on doing that, but I don't know if this is true for a CAI on a SOHC (I would do it if mine was a SOHC).

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Old 09-27-2005, 07:23 AM   #20
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There is no difference in engine/coolant temp if you have a CAI, WAI or stock airbox.
Is there any difference in air charge temperature as it near the intake ports in the cylinder head?

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