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Old 07-11-2005, 10:30 AM   #41
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I'm assuming that the design will still be done in the US.

So... my thoughts are: The high costs of Union Labor have pushed yet another manufacturing operation outside the borders of the USA. Too bad!

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Old 07-11-2005, 10:37 AM   #42
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Not only would I not purchase a Saturn from Mexico, I would not sell them either. If all (or a significant portion of) production goes south of the border my conscience would force me to change jobs. I'll sell Canadian Camaros and Buicks first!

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Old 07-11-2005, 10:47 AM   #43
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Not only would I not purchase a Saturn from Mexico, I would not sell them either. If all (or a significant portion of) production goes south of the border my conscience would force me to change jobs. I'll sell Canadian Camaros and Buicks first!
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Old 07-11-2005, 10:49 AM   #44
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I will not buy any car built in Mexico or any other cheap labor market, or worse yet, a car built under an oppressive Communist regime like China's! As it is, sometimes we have little or no choice with other products, but I hope it doesn't come to that with automobiles. And even if it does, I will continue to fight the trend, at the very least by voting against the politicians who support unregulated "free trade" at the expense of middle class U.S. jobs and often at the expense of our strategic interests.
I sympathize with your viewpoint and feel your pain... however, pick up several objects in your home and tell me, please, what does the "MADE IN..." stamp say on the underside? Not that easy to be committed to unpopular points-of-view in America, huh?

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Old 07-11-2005, 11:20 AM   #45
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Rumors suggest that the next generation VUE will not be manufactured in Spring Hill, Tennessee, but possibly at a GM plant in Mexico instead. Would you consider buying a Saturn made in Mexico? Post your thoughts.

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Is this the SAME plant GM I heard was rumored to be built in Mexico City in the mid 1990's? If so how does GM justify outsourcing work to a 3rd world country, like Mexico, that has all sorts of problems none more critical than overt political corruption and covertly sanctioned illegal drug trafficking Into America? Won't this involve Spring Hill lay-offs? How will this impact Spring Hill and Tennesse local economy due to loss of tax income from Saturn? Will this be the causality to incresed Tennessee crime rate as it has been apparent troughout the rest of America recently? What will the Bush administration do to stop this wholly un-American act of disloyalty? Will costly US government-inspired safety recalls be enforceable once Saturn is there? Is this inspired by NAFTA or is it just another un-American "end-run" around taxes and middle-class American salary needs like Stanley Works (Connecticut) tried to pull a couple of years ago? Will their telephone customer service departments wind up in Bangalore (India) like all of the other loyal American company's have done recently? What's happening to America!

So many questions but so few answers...

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Old 07-11-2005, 11:28 AM   #46
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I sympathize with your viewpoint and feel your pain... however, pick up several objects in your home and tell me, please, what does the "MADE IN..." stamp say on the underside? Not that easy to be committed to unpopular points-of-view in America, huh?
In many cases you have no choice. Look at you shoes, clothes, electronics etc. Most are not made in the USA. Dell may assemble PC's here (I believe the laptops are made in the far east) but the parts are mainly from offshore. America is losing it's manufacturing base and this downward slide is continuing.

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Old 07-11-2005, 11:35 AM   #47
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Right now I would have to say no. If it actually happened I could change my mind in a few years. After a couple years of being built in Mexico the numbers for quality would be out by then. I wouldn't buy a first year car made out of Mexico. I'm a Detroit girl so I try to pick my car based on how much is American and where it is built. GM, Ford and Chrysler all have their HQ's in the Detroit area so the money they make gets pumped back into the local economy.

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Old 07-11-2005, 11:41 AM   #48
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If Saturn goes to Mexico made cars, this will be my first and last Saturn for sure!!!! My previous car, a 02 Z24 Cavalier was made in Mexico, you can tell by the VIN #. In the 3 years I owned it, it rusted horribly, always broke down, never ran right, etc. My gf's 02 Cavalier was made in the US, it still runs strong, and rust free today.. Coincidence? I dunno. But I'm not buying Mexico made cars.

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Old 07-11-2005, 11:46 AM   #49
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HELL NO!!!!

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Old 07-11-2005, 11:53 AM   #50
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I'm assuming that the design will still be done in the US.

So... my thoughts are: The high costs of Union Labor have pushed yet another manufacturing operation outside the borders of the USA. Too bad!
Honda and Toyota build cars here and pay as much or more than UAW workers get, and they provide a similar benefits package. It can be done.

But what difference would it make if design went overseas, as well? People seem to think that the white collar positions are immune to outsourcing/offshoring, but they're not. I'd bet many GM engineers make roughly what the assembly plant workers make. Why is it OK if the assembly operations go to a third world country, but not design?

You're right. It is too bad that the jobs that have supported our middle class for so many decades are going overseas. Too bad that two people have to work in the family to make ends meet because two low paying service jobs are needed to replace that one well paying factory job. Yes, that is too bad. We'll all be paying the price for corporate greed eventually. Who will buy their products when there is finally no more credit dollars left to give?

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Old 07-11-2005, 12:27 PM   #51
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I have a Dodge Ram assembled in Mexico so far I only found one bolt that wasn't properly torqued. The fit and finish was good. All the trips this truck has been to the dealer for have been related to engineering issues not poor assembly.

I always figured that Spring Hill was the Heart and Soul of Saturn. I find it hard to believe that a non Saturn automobile would be made there. I hope this is all roomer mongering.

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Old 07-11-2005, 01:41 PM   #52
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For those who think that Japanese made cars don't support poor working conditions, look beyond the car company to the parts suppliers. This may have changed since I learned about it, but at least in the late 80's/early 90's, major japanese automotive companies would purchase their parts from small vendors who often had shops in horrible locations & in horrible conditions. Chemicals not handled properly, etc. The companies used these small vendors to protect themselves from changes in economy - market takes a downturn, these small vendors go out of business. As I said, this may have changed, but I don't know...

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Honda and Toyota build cars here and pay as much or more than UAW workers get, and they provide a similar benefits package. It can be done.

But what difference would it make if design went overseas, as well? People seem to think that the white collar positions are immune to outsourcing/offshoring, but they're not. I'd bet many GM engineers make roughly what the assembly plant workers make. Why is it OK if the assembly operations go to a third world country, but not design?

You're right. It is too bad that the jobs that have supported our middle class for so many decades are going overseas. Too bad that two people have to work in the family to make ends meet because two low paying service jobs are needed to replace that one well paying factory job. Yes, that is too bad. We'll all be paying the price for corporate greed eventually. Who will buy their products when there is finally no more credit dollars left to give?
Toyota just opened a plant in Mexico recently

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Old 07-11-2005, 02:14 PM   #54
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Not for the American price right now.
This country is going to Hell faster every day now
I say that exact same thing every day. with the supreme court voting on the side of big business and instating the law that let's the government take your home if it deems your home empeeds progress by not giving in to the "wal-marts of this country (the government can take your home if big business wants to build a factory or store on your property or neighborhood) this country is turning into communists. WE MUST STAND UP TO THESE TYRANTS!! THIS COUNTRY REALLY IS GOING TO HELL!! THANK GOD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE TO RECONIZE THIS FACT

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instating the law that let's the government take your home if it deems your home empeeds progress
You think that's new? lol that's funny. Read up about the highway running through Boston - not the new dig one, but the one that that big tunnel project is replacing.

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Old 07-11-2005, 02:41 PM   #56
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I refuse to buy a Saturn/GM vehicle, or any vehicle for that matter, that is assembled in a third world country under substandard labor conditions. It's bad enough that just about every consumer product is built in, or at least has a few parts from, a third world country. If GM ever wants me to buy one of its vehicles again, it has to make me believe that its quality is at least that of the Honda I have now, and it must be built under good labor conditions by workers who are paid well for their time.

It's not just where the entire car is put together, either. If major parts of the car are put together under poor working conditions, they can count me out as well. Engines from China or Mexico, for example.
Um, I hate to be an ass, but Mexico is not by ANY means considered a third world countries, nor is China.
Right up front, I'm a believer in supporting your/our country's economy, so other things being equal buying an American-made product is the way to go.
But the fact of the matter is, it comes down to how much Joe American is willing/expecting to pay for his automotible, and how much that "built in America" sticker is worth to him.
It just costs more to build cars here, that is a fact. Currency value aside (and that's a BIG part of it), a big chunk of the cost is related to this idea of how workers are compensated and treated by the company, and the flipside, what they are willing to put up with to have employment. That is, GM American employees are expensive, b/c they expect decents benefits, retirement, and a good wage (>$10/hour). I'm not saying that's unreasonable; that's just what yer average American considers to be normal. In contrast, Jose Mexican (Joe's counterpart!) is willing to work for much less, and have no benefits - he's just happy to have a job of some kind.
As long as we have standards that are more stringent, it is easier for the company to go to other places. That's just economics and capitolism playing against us.
President Foxe recently goty into a lot of trouble for teh way he said something, but what he meant was completely true - Mexico and Mexicans are getting more work b/c they're willing to do things that Americans are not.

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Some good comments, ratlabguy. Makes me wonder,though, is there such a thing as a second world country? Why do we never hear the terms first and second world country?

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Old 07-11-2005, 03:29 PM   #58
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Would you consider buying a Saturn made in Mexico? Post your thoughts.

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Before I comment one way or the other, our government, particularly the intellectually-elite folks in the Senate, need to face-the-fire over the miserable -failure- of NAFTA and other so-called "free trade" agreements... which haven't lived-up to the hype. The President and others on Capitol Hill need to start making some serious noise toward trading partners that aren't playing by the rules.

As for Saturn potentially building in Mexico, I say, "Go ahead", but I won't buy one. The Japanese and Koreans employ Americans to build cars to sell to Americans, so let Latin-American countries by Mexican-made Saturns. The next car that I buy will be from a company that has a demonstrated commitment to employing Americans, and if they're with the UAW, that would be a plus. I believe in unions, but as someone else in this thread pointed out, paying a UAW member $35+ an hour is partly why they're headed south-of-the-border in the first place. GM deserves to make a profit and pay -their- retirees, too, without deflating their stock price and jeopardizing their employee pension fund, like what happened with United Airlines. The original Saturn-UAW labor agreement was groundbreaking, and what a shame that both sides elected to abandon rather than re-work it. Now we're back to the same ol' management/union adversarial relationship. IMO, the only way the American automakers and the UAW will survive is to be forward-thinking: throw-down-the-gloves, cooperate as they once did, and keep jobs here in the U.S.!

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Old 07-11-2005, 03:58 PM   #59
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Here's my spin on this. I voted "Don't Care." Why, because I will buy a vehicle that meets my needs at the time needed. I bought my '99 SW2 because: I needed something bigger with kids on the way, I liked the fact it was built in the USA, and I like the no haggle buying (I did my research on the net and walked in wtih my printout of exactly what I wanted and said "Find This." I had my car within two days. The car has been great, I'm sure due to the fact it was built in the US. Sadly Saturn has a way of coming out with cars people like after the other makers, that is why I have an '05 Odyssey, Saturn came out with the Relay too late. And the whole corporate greed thing is way out of control. How many jobs could be created or saved if the top tier of these corps. took a pay cut of $1 mil or more a year each? Just how smart are these people at the top anyways? What exactly makes you worth what you earn? I bet you'd never get a direct answer!
Sorry, back to the Mexico thing. If the price dropped to match the labor costs, I might(?) consider buying, but probably would not and look elsewhere. Most likely Chevy. And if you try and buy "AMERICAN", please stay the HELL out of Wal-Mart!! Thanks for letting me vent.

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Did anyone notice how GM uses actors to portray American GM employees in those GM employee discount ads? Obviously GM wants to have it both ways, pretending to be a US company supporting US jobs while in actuality moving jobs out of the country.

A more realistic commercial would show a bunch of Mexicans saying, "You pay what we pay. Oh wait, I forgot, I can't afford a GM car even with the discount because I only make $1.50 an hour!"

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