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Old 12-27-2004, 10:34 AM   #1
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Idea 2004 Ion 2 or 2004 Vue? (or taking advice from complete strangers)

Hello everyone. This is my first posting with your website.

I am currently the owner of a 2004 5-speed Ion 2 with about 8500 miles on the odometer. It was purchased just over a year ago and my cost was about $13,500 including all taxes. This amount does not include the $3000 I got for a Pontiac Grand Am trade-in. So my cost was actually $10,500. The only option on the car is ABS. Other than a rattling plastic dashboard, I donít have a complaint about it. It typically gets 29-31 mpg in combined city-highway driving.
Here is my ďdilemmaĒ: There is a Saturn dealership in my area still trying to clear out base 2004 Vues. There is an enticing sale in which I can get a 4 cyl., 5-speed Vue with the ďpower packageĒ and ďsports packageĒ (alloy wheels and few other odds and ends) for $14,500 out-the-door!! (no ABS) I am told that this price is just about at the dealerís cost, and they are willing to offer me $10,000 to trade-in my Ion 2. My Ion 2 is paid for, and I would only have to come up with $4500 for the Vue.

Had I purchased the Vue a year ago, when I got the Ion 2, I believe the price difference would have been about the same as the additional $4500 to buy a Vue then, so Iím really not throwing the $4500 away . . . right(??) In my opinion the Vue is more interesting looking, and certainly itís a more roomy vehicle. Iím sure Iíll be losing some gas mileage though. Does anyone out there get even CLOSE to the 30 MPG in combined driving with the 4-cyl. 5-speed in the Vue, that Iím currently getting with the very same engine thatís in my Ion? Is the 4 cylinder truly adequate, and not too stressed for the weight of the Vue?

There are so many negative postings on the Internet about the Vue; complaints, recalls and possibly inadequate suspension replacement parts (at least for the AWD) and flawed 5-speed automatic transmissions. The leftover Vue Iím considering is a late 2004 model run, and they should have the rear suspension corrected. Though, Iíll find out for sure before making a decision.
Anyway, would anyone like to give me some guidance, thought or opinion on this. Do I leave well enough alone and hang on to the Ion2, or go ahead with the 2004 Vue?
Iíve always had trouble missing out on a good deal! (Or is it?)

Ken
(Detroit, Michigan)

P.S. Anyone looking for a slightly used 2004 5-spd. Ion 2 in the Detroit area, before (or IF) I trade it in?

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Old 12-27-2004, 10:47 AM   #2
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Default Re: 2004 Ion 2 or 2004 Vue? (or taking advice from complete strangers)

If your ION's been good to you, I'd count my blessings and keep it.

Saturn has eliminated the moneyback guarantee and changed to exchange only.

Why tempt fate?

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Old 12-27-2004, 10:59 AM   #3
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The advice I have always gotten from friends and family is "If you don't enjoy it then why keep it." That is not always a financially wise choice but money isn't everything. I know that in my case when I get up in the morning I look forward to driving my 98 SW2 because it is fun to drive. It has a 5 speed. And on nice days I get to take my 91 SC out just for fun. A car is a big investment, you should be able to enjoy having it.

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Old 12-27-2004, 11:37 AM   #4
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We own both an ION and now two VUEs and my answer would be determined by how you use the car and what you like to drive. For most of the year I prefer an ION because I like driving a smaller, lower car. The ION gas mileage is also better than even a 4 cyl VUE by about 5 mpg in town and 9 mpg on the highway. At the same time I prefer the VUE for vacations, carrying larger objects, tailgating at football games and driving in the snow. Having both cars works in our house because my wife prefers driving the larger VUE all the time and she uses it as her daily car.
Overall our first VUE was relatively trouble free after they replaced the initial VTi tranny within the first 1500 miles. We have over 30,000 miles since without incident. That VUE is now driven primarily by our daughter whose job often requires her to drive in the mountains north of us and she feels more secure with the AWD. Last week we purchased an 05 stick 5 speed VUE for my wife. She likes it very much but we don't have enough experience with it yet to advise what the gas mileage is averaging with the standard transaxle. As for the four banger in the VUE it is adequate for me although my speed requirements may not be as great as what some others want. If a car can safely enter and merge with traffiic at interstate speeds and have enough power to accelerate and pass on the highway from a cruising speed of 75, it is fast enough for me. I rarely drive over 80mph except to pass and the 4 cyl VUE meets my power needs.
We have had good experiences with both the ION and the VUE. My advice to you therefore is to make your decision based on the uses you project for the car and the kind of vehicle YOU most enjoy driving. There is no question that the lower ION and higher boxier VUE have a different feel to drive and only you can say what you prefer.

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Old 12-27-2004, 12:16 PM   #5
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The ION and VUE are completely different classes of vehicles. Decide what you need a vehicle FOR, and that will make your desicion for you.

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Old 12-27-2004, 01:21 PM   #6
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I'll echo the advice that others have given. Think about how you plan to use the vehicle. If your vehicle is strictly used for commuting, the ION may be all you need. If you find yourself carrying bikes, furniture, etc. on a regular basis, the VUE may be a better choice.

I traded in a 2003 ION 2 for a 2004 VUE AWD V6. While the ION was a perfect vehicle for commuting and the occasional long trip, I found myself wanting more power, cargo space, and AWD. The VUE was really helpful after my fiancee and I moved into our new home. Instead of paying multiple furniture delivery fees, we managed to fit everything into the VUE. Our new home is also located in a hilly area with several secondary streets that are not plowed right away. We felt that the AWD would be helpful on occasion.

The major disadvantages of the VUE (compared to the ION) is fuel economy. Also, the VUE AWD V6 is more complex compared to the Ecotec powered ION so we'll probably have higher maintenance/repair costs down the line.

Good luck with whatever vehicle you choose. They're both nice vehicles.

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Old 12-27-2004, 01:57 PM   #7
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The advice I have always gotten from friends and family is "If you don't enjoy it then why keep it." That is not always a financially wise choice but money isn't everything. I know that in my case when I get up in the morning I look forward to driving my 98 SW2 because it is fun to drive. It has a 5 speed. And on nice days I get to take my 91 SC out just for fun. A car is a big investment, you should be able to enjoy having it.
That's poetry man, poetry.

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Old 12-27-2004, 02:43 PM   #8
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I would only buy the VUE if they can guarantee the 10k trade-in value. I would pay heed to the negative reviews of the VUE that you have found. If the vehicle is so bad, why did Chevy choose to rebadge it and sell it as the Equinox? The answer - it is GM's best selling entry level SUV.

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Old 12-27-2004, 03:34 PM   #9
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Hey Grey Duck. Where did you get a 1992 ION Red Line? Check your Avitar.

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Old 12-27-2004, 03:36 PM   #10
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If the vehicle is so bad, why did Chevy choose to rebadge it and sell it as the Equinox?
The Equinox has a metal body, different engine and different interior. It's a big difference.
A Vue is worth it if one needs the extra cargo space and can live with less fuel economy.

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Old 12-27-2004, 03:47 PM   #11
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The Equinox has a metal body, different engine and different interior. It's a big difference.
...but alas...no chicken before the egg argument here. If the VUE didn't sell, the Equinox never would never have come to fruition.

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Old 12-28-2004, 12:30 PM   #12
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Hey Grey Duck. Where did you get a 1992 ION Red Line? Check your Avitar.
Boy, talk about being the first one on the block.......

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