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Old 12-02-2004, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default Do compasses work better in Saturns?

I'm directionally challenged and need a compass in my car. I had one of one plastic globe on a sucker compasses on my Accord, but the car's metal kept messing with it. Since the Saturn is a lot less metal, would a compass work better?

Also, are Saturns' plastic panels less likely to be picked up on radar? Stealth car!

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Old 12-02-2004, 02:53 PM   #2
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Default Re: Do compasses work better in Saturns?

The Saturn will still mess with a compass that is not designed to compensate for the metal.

I have the travel package on my Ion and when I first got the car and calibrated the compass it appeared to be off a significant amount. I was comparing it to the reading on a normal compass while in the car. After getting out of the car the compass matched the car.

I'd suggest getting the travel package or getting a compass that is designed to go on the inside of the car.

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Old 12-02-2004, 03:02 PM   #3
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I would think the difference in metal content due to plastic exterior panels is negligible when you consider that the frame is still steel.

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Old 12-02-2004, 04:06 PM   #4
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My hobby (obsession) is ham radio.

When my Saturn was new, I tried using a handheld radio, until I installed a real mobile rig. I was surprised that I had MORE problems with my signal getting out than in other (steel) cars I have driven (with same handheld radio on same route). Although the side panels are plastic, you still have a steel hood, roof and trunk lid, not to mention the spaceframe. Based on what I experienced, there is a LOT of steel in the car.

One more thing to keep in mind. Any wire with current flowing through it will have a magnetic field around the wire. This too can affect a magnetic compass.

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Old 12-02-2004, 04:26 PM   #5
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Also, are Saturns' plastic panels less likely to be picked up on radar? Stealth car!
No. Radar uses sound waves to reflect back and calculate distance. It doesn't matter if it's steel, fibreglass, or polymer.

Lidar (laser) uses light waves for the same purpose. However, certain surfaces and colors react differently.

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Old 12-02-2004, 07:57 PM   #6
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I agree with getting the travel package if you want an accurate compass. In addition to the compass you get a self dimming rear view mirror, an outside temperature read out on the mirror, and very useful map lights.

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Old 12-02-2004, 08:16 PM   #7
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Thanks all, but it's for my 2000 SL2 that I want the compass. Any suggestions?

Thanks for the note on radar. During the Second World War, aircraft made primarily of wood, such as the DeHavilland Mosquito gave far smaller returns on German radar than similiarly sized metal aircraft. If Saturns were made of wood, would they show up on police radar?

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Old 12-03-2004, 09:24 AM   #8
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I bought a compass for an old Jeep truck I used to own. It had an adjustment on the back of it so it could be calibrated. I parked the truck with all the electronics on (amplified radio, CB radio, etc.), and then found true North with a "good" hand held compass a few feet away from the truck. Once I calibrated the compass in the truck to match the hand held compass, I had no issues.

Check out Canadian Tire - search for "compass" -

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Thanks all, but it's for my 2000 SL2 that I want the compass. Any suggestions?

Thanks for the note on radar. During the Second World War, aircraft made primarily of wood, such as the DeHavilland Mosquito gave far smaller returns on German radar than similiarly sized metal aircraft. If Saturns were made of wood, would they show up on police radar?
Search for aftermarket autodimming mirror on here. It is a bit more of a pricey install, but with these, you get a compass, autodimming mirror, and an outside temperature readout.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:29 PM   #10
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JohnS;

Are you sure about the outside temp readout feature ? My 2004 L300 has the auto dimming rearview mirror option and it doesn't have this feature.

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Old 12-03-2004, 01:48 PM   #11
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Ion's and Vues both have the Travel Package option, which includes the Autodimming mirror, with compass and outsie temp gauge included on the right side.

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Old 12-03-2004, 07:03 PM   #12
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Are you sure about the outside temp readout feature ? My 2004 L300 has the auto dimming rearview mirror option and it doesn't have this feature.
The L has a different autodimming mirror than other Saturns. The L does not have this feature. The only outside temp readout available on the L series ever was in the automatic climate control head unit for 2002 and 2003.
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Are you sure about the outside temp readout feature ? My 2004 L300 has the auto dimming rearview mirror option and it doesn't have this feature.
Hugh- I saw your question but T-bone has already answered it for me.

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Old 12-03-2004, 07:23 PM   #14
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Thanks for the note on radar. During the Second World War, aircraft made primarily of wood, such as the DeHavilland Mosquito gave far smaller returns on German radar than similiarly sized metal aircraft. If Saturns were made of wood, would they show up on police radar?
Admiral Beez- Since you interjected the subject of old warfighting equipment into this thread, would you please identify the battleship on you avitar? Based on what I can see I'm guessing its something like USS Nevada (or a similar ship from that era) but I can't see enough to be sure.

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Old 12-04-2004, 09:20 AM   #15
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That's HMS Queen Elizabeth, first of Britain's fast battleships (everyone else was doing about 21 knots), pictured prior to her 1930s modernization.

QE's details as originally designed (per www.hazegray.org):
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Armor: 6-13 inch belt, 1-3 inch deck, 4-10 inch barbettes, 13 inch turrets, 11 inch CT

I found the Avatar picture at Vicker's photo archive, see.. http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/index.asp Vickers was one of the Empires most productive and important shipyards. The still make all of Britainís nuclear submarines, but not at this yard.

If you check out http://p216.ezboard.com/bwarships1discussionboards you'll see me, Admiral Beez all over the forums. Military history is one of my hobbies.

As for Nevada, see http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/batt...usa/bb36-2.jpg
You'll notice she has the cage masts, which were typical on USN battleships until after Pearl Harbour. British battleships used a tripod mast, the base of which you can see on my Avatar. Now after Pearl Harbour, Nevada was reconstructed as follows http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/batt...usa/bb36-7.jpg with a small tripod mast, so perhaps that's where the similarities are. Lastly, don't forget that Nevada's 14" "A" turret (closest to the bow) was a triple mount (three guns per turret) as opposed to Queen Elizabeth's dual 15" mounts (two guns per turret) all round.

Britain only tried triple mounts in one British design, the Nelson class battleships, with 9x16" guns, but they were a troublesome design (see http://www.chuckhawks.com/hmsnelso.jpg). They did make triples for the Italian navy, see http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive...itle=Naval+Gun.
Britain's King George V class battleships had two four gun turrets, which looked impressive, IMO see http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive...ect=&subtitle=
and http://www.chuckhawks.com/kgv1941.jpg

Britain also made battleships and/or major warships for many foreign navies, such as Chile, Brazil, Argentina and Japan including the Japanese battleship Kongo, see http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive...ect=&subtitle=
and http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/h90506.jpg
which was sunk by the American submarine USS Sealion on 21 November 1944.

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The hazegray links to the USS Nevada pictures don't seem to work. Go to www.hazegray.org directly and look for the Nevada pics.

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The hazegray links to the USS Nevada pictures don't seem to work. Go to www.hazegray.org directly and look for the Nevada pics.
Thanks for the links Admiral. I actually was able to find photos of Nevada here after I read your post.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../bb36-nev.html

You are correct about the front turret having three guns. I based my guess on an artists rendering of Nevada on a battleship shirt I own. The shirt shows a two gun turret and I regret now to say it is in error. Check the photo of Nevada after the Pearl Harbor attack however and it appears to me that the conversion from a cage to a tri-pod upper mast was indeed made before the Japanese attack. Unfortunately I never saw Nevada as the Bikini atomic tests took place before even I was born. LOL
Incidently here is a link to a newly posted dictionary of US warships. Enjoy the whole site but click on to the newly added dictionary link if you are not aware of it.
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