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Old 08-16-2004, 11:10 AM   #1
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Saturn VUE Passes Rollover Test

After failing to complete a new rollover administered by the Federal government when its suspension broke, the Saturn VUE, say sources, has passed the new test with a modified suspension. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) could release the results as early as this week. After the VUE's suspension broke under the pressure of the new test, General Motors issued a recall of more than 200,000 VUEs to beef up the suspension. A VUE modified the same way that mirrors the recall passed the test and will be ranked "in the middle of the pack," said one executive with knowledge of the test. The VUE suspension will be modified to be equal that of the new Chevrolet Equinox, which shares a platform with the VUE, but which hit dealerships earlier this year two years after the VUE's debut. GM had planned to make a running change to the VUE to improve the suspension, but the rollover test prompted the recall. The traffic safety agency has this year been conducting its first rollover tests on a track. Previously, the agency used a mathematical formula, factoring in a vehicle's specifications, to predict rollover risk. In the new tests, conducted at speeds of 35 to 50 miles an hour, vehicles are driven through several "fishhook" maneuvers, which simulate the kind of sudden swerve that might happen when vehicles leave the roadway, as in a tire blowout, and then the drivers overcompensate while trying to recover. Both the four-wheel drive and two-wheel drive VUEs failed to complete the test. They had not, as was reported in some publications, failed the test. The vehicle, in fact, was unable to complete the test after the suspension broke. -Jim Burt

Now all you doubters can stop doubting, I knew the VUE would suceed, it was and always has been a safe vehicle in my opinion.

Here is the link, if you want to read it yourself-

http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=173&n=156

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Old 08-16-2004, 12:07 PM   #2
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Old 08-16-2004, 12:22 PM   #3
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Awesome news, thanks for the link!

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Hurrah!

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Old 08-16-2004, 12:47 PM   #5
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This statement from the article really bothers me.

"GM had planned to make a running change to the VUE to improve the suspension, but the rollover test prompted the recall."

Does this mean GM new there was a problem with the Vue's suspension long ago and didn't do anything about it until NHTSA exposed the flaw? Maybe the actuaries at GM did their usual profit/loss calculations and decided the chances of one of us Vue owners being seriously injured was worth taking the risk on not fixing the 250,000 Vue's already sold. Aftrer all, it is more cost effective to pay out a few multi million dollar claims rather than fix 250,000 vehicles.

As far as doubters go, I prefer to think of myself as cautious. I don't trust Saturn, or any car company. The automoile industry has proven many times in the past that it's heartless and greedy and holds the shareholders interest above the safety of its customers.

You may think Saturn did us a great service by doing this customer satisfaction recall but I believe it was a preemptive move because it new that sooner rather than later a forced government recall would be issued.

Of course the Vue would pass the test after it was "fixed". What would be the point of GM spending many millions of dollars on a massive recall? How embarassing would that be if the Vue failed even after the fix was implemented.

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Old 08-16-2004, 01:07 PM   #6
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Sounds like GM planned to phase in a new suspension into the VUE as they were built -- not recalling previous ones and retrofitting. At least that is what a "running change" sounds like to me.

And why? They probably did the cost analysis and it is cheaper to make the part for the Equinox specs and use it there and on the VUE instead of producing and stocking two slightly different parts if the cost difference between them is minor enough.

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Old 08-16-2004, 01:42 PM   #7
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That's great news for the Vue but it brings up another question.
Is the Equinox suspension strong enough for the Equinox? It's
longer and heavier than the Vue.

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Old 08-16-2004, 02:34 PM   #8
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I'll tell you what this means.....

This means that if the Government had never tested the VUE, GM would have left all 200,000+ vehicles with the inferior components..... and owners no recourse if they were injured or killed do to the weak rear-end.

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Old 08-16-2004, 02:38 PM   #9
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I'll tell you what this means.....

This means that if the Government had never tested the VUE, GM would have left all 200,000+ vehicles with the inferior components..... and owners no recourse if they were injured or killed do to the weak rear-end.
Give me a break! 230,000+ on the road and 1 complaint. You are beginning to sound like a broken record in regards to complaints about your vehicle... are you really that unhappy with it?
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Old 08-16-2004, 03:31 PM   #10
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I'll tell you what this means.....

This means that if the Government had never tested the VUE, GM would have left all 200,000+ vehicles with the inferior components..... and owners no recourse if they were injured or killed do to the weak rear-end.
GM had no idea the components were inferior, since before the test there were NO reports of it failing. GM probably knew it was weak, but didn't think it was too weak to actually fail.

You can't think in the mindset of a part being simply pass/fail. In engineering you have to determine what is good enough, or what could be improved. There are times something runs good enough, but we improve it anyway as a continuous quality control measure.

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Old 08-16-2004, 03:31 PM   #11
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The “running change” could mean anything cost, better ride, refinement, safety, etc. I don’t think there’s ever a car that had no changes made to it in the subsequent model years.

But it’s great news that the new components held up and even better news that the Vue didn't go tipsy.

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GM had no idea the components were inferior, since before the test there were NO reports of it failing. GM probably knew it was weak, but didn't think it was too weak to actually fail.
Talk about doublespeak.

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Old 08-16-2004, 04:53 PM   #13
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Manufacturers are always making 'running changes' during the life of a model. Sometimes they are announced as improvements, and sometimes they are just changes to cut costs or simplify production. With the Eek and the Vue both using similar suspensions, it doesn't make sense to continue production of different parts just for the sake of diversity. Since the Eek is a newer, second revision of the Vue, there are probably many parts that have been examined and revamped. Many of those parts are probably finding their way onto the 05 Vue without any fanfare.

I don't think that GM has any obligation to go back and upgrade older models every time they have an improved part. In this case, the part was NOT defective until a new test revealed a flaw of some type. GM's testing hadn't revealed it, and prior Govt testing didn't reveal it.

After a company has knowledge of a defect, they have an obligation to fix it. GM/Saturn probably tested a Vue with the new suspension, and since it passed the test decided to use the production parts as a fix. I don't see any cover-up or other hanky-panky here, just a good, quick engineering solution.

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Anyone know yet what specifically is going to be replaced in the recall...I am like others here..I dont want them messing with mine.

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Old 08-17-2004, 05:23 PM   #15
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Will NHTSA and the news media be as fast to report that the vue passed the rollover test?

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The Equinox suspension is plenty strong since it has already been fitted with the very parts that are now being added to the VUE. The Equinox already has the pieces due to the fact that it is slightly longer and heavier. When you bring your VUE in, they will replace certain rear suspension components in order to guarantee its safety. Remember, the VUE never failed the rollover test. Testing was simply stopped due to the suspension problem. At no point did the VUE ever actually roll.

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Old 08-17-2004, 09:28 PM   #17
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Will NHTSA and the news media be as fast to report that the vue passed the rollover test?
Thats funny.

I doubt the media will report this. They want the public to be under the false notion that SUVs are unsafe. So by reporting that the VUE passed the rollover test, would go against their propaganda.

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