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Old 02-08-2004, 04:55 PM   #1
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Default 2004 ION3 vs. 2004 VW Jetta

I was in my friends 2004 Jetta today on the highway today. We were doing probably 78 mph and his engine sounded like it was in fourth gear. It was at about 3.8 RPM's but it sounded as if it was still in 4th gear. I looked at it and it was in 5th gear.

I asked him if it sounds loud to him too, and he agreed. He recently traded in his 2000 Jetta which was a top of the line jetta and he misses the speed he had in that. Used to be able to go like 90 without going over 3.5 rpm's it had so much power.

Now I look at my '04 Saturn Ion3 and the fact I am paying $272/month for 60 months and see him paying $320/month on his lease.

I know I got the better car and the better deal!!

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Old 02-08-2004, 05:54 PM   #2
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Not only that, but your Ion will be in the shop far less than his Jetta

Sounds like he has a 2.0 (2.slow). He went from top of the line (VR6 or 1.8t) to a oil consuming 2.0? He'll be missing that extra 40-50 hp for sure! The Ion is still a quieter highway cruiser than the 2.0..even the 1.8t. I should know, I owned both before my Ion

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Old 02-08-2004, 08:06 PM   #3
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Any VW I have ever had, which has been quite a few, has always had short gearing. I am not sure why that is tho, must be a VW thing. I was always kinda woried that it would effect the longevity of the engine but I the ones I have had had 255k, 209k, and 315ish (that is when the speedo packed it in )
and no motor troubles.
My Saturn SW1, was soooooo tall geared in comparison. Like 2K at 60mph. Strangely tho, it burned oil, blew a head gasket, cracked the cylinder head, and then just before I got rid of the rear main seal blew and then I got that fixed and the oil pump packed it in. All at or before 115K. I figured that sucker would last forever cause it wasn't working too hard.
My new golf is a 2.0 slow and yes it is slow,
( and had lots of Rpms on the highway) but is not much slower that the Ion. (tranny didn't help that car). I drive the golf 100+ kms round trip to work and havn't added a drop of Mobil yet.

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Well that's cool. How's the Golf GLS compared to the Ion 3, Millhouse?

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Old 02-08-2004, 09:00 PM   #5
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He'll be missing that extra 40-50 hp for sure!
Oh yeah he is, however he is looking on the positive side that he is less likely to get pulled over since he cant be going 100 mph anymore

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Old 02-08-2004, 09:04 PM   #6
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Not only that, but your Ion will be in the shop far less than his Jetta

Sounds like he has a 2.0 (2.slow). He went from top of the line (VR6 or 1.8t) to a oil consuming 2.0? He'll be missing that extra 40-50 hp for sure! The Ion is still a quieter highway cruiser than the 2.0..even the 1.8t. I should know, I owned both before my Ion
Not all 2.0s burn oil, Golf. I know of 3 or 4 new generation 2.0s here at school that don't use a drop.
Part of the reason the Jetta/Golf/Beetle are geared that way is for highway speed acceleration. It is in its powerband right around there and a mash of the throttle will make it squirt right off.
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My friend has a 2000 Jetta GL 2.0. That thing's engine is LOUD just traveling down the road doing 35! It's an auto too. Nice interior though

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Old 02-08-2004, 10:30 PM   #8
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My friend has a 2000 Jetta GL 2.0. That thing's engine is LOUD just traveling down the road doing 35! It's an auto too. Nice interior though
How can you say that? They are no louder than an ION or an S series.
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Not all 2.0s burn oil, Golf. I know of 3 or 4 new generation 2.0s here at school that don't use a drop.
Part of the reason the Jetta/Golf/Beetle are geared that way is for highway speed acceleration. It is in its powerband right around there and a mash of the throttle will make it squirt right off.
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Didn't say they all did, but that is one of the known 2.0 issues. Bulletproof, but thirsty.

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[B]Any VW I have ever had, which has been quite a few, has always had short gearing.
Most foreign cars are. Any Toyota, Nissan Honda or Subaru I've owned or driven has reved high, but ultimately last forever. My 3 speed auto Corolla was mind numbing on the highway

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Old 02-08-2004, 11:28 PM   #11
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Most foreign cars are. Any Toyota, Nissan Honda or Subaru I've owned or driven has reved high, but ultimately last forever. My 3 speed auto Corolla was mind numbing on the highway
My roomates Nissan 200SX was that way. It was a five speed at at 70, it was a little over 3k rpms. It would have lasted him forever if it didn't get totaled almost 2 years ago. He had 140k. The only major problem that I knew of was having the ECM replaced, which cost him $500 and change.

I must say though, Saturns are great highway cars. My SL1 was great, and the Ion is even better....70mph and 2.5K on the tach.

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Old 02-09-2004, 01:25 AM   #12
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The VTi-equipped Ions run even lower on the highway - under 2000 rpm at 110 km/h (about 70 mph)..

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Old 02-09-2004, 02:38 AM   #13
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I must say though, Saturns are great highway cars. My SL1 was great, and the Ion is even better....70mph and 2.5K on the tach.
I've never driven a VW, so I can't chime in on that (I don't think I'd ever buy one though, I love how the Jetta and Passat look, but from what I've read, they seem very risky, and in my opinion, are a bit overpriced for what they are). However, I will agree with PAGuy in saying that Saturns certainly are great highway cars. I love driving my car on the highway; my tach runs a little above 2500RPMs at 70mph, the car is quiet unless I slam the gas pedal, and the handling is very smooth and predictable. Speaking of Japanese cars though, my aunt's '02 Galant revs pretty high on the highway, I'd much rather drive that car on the street than the highway. My best friend's Altima, OTOH, like my SL1 revs very low on the highway as well, IIRC, 2KRPMs at 65mph.

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The biggest difference is the quality of dealer service you get when the inevitable problems in any car surface. VW dealers are notoriously bad- everything wrong with their wonderful German engineered cars must be the owners fault. Saturn dealers (with a few exceptions) are still the most pro owner of all the makes.

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Any VW I have ever had, which has been quite a few, has always had short gearing. I am not sure why that is tho, must be a VW thing. I was always kinda woried that it would effect the longevity of the engine but I the ones I have had had 255k, 209k, and 315ish (that is when the speedo packed it in )
and no motor troubles.
I had previously owned an 86 Jetta & will disagree with you on that. The 5-speed with the 1.8L gas engine was geared very tall.
At 70 mph, I would be turning only around 2800. I found this tall gearing gave it great highway mileage (37-40 mpg) It was a great car that gave me over 225k of use before burning up the original clutch.
My L200 on the other hand is geared short. I can turn 3100 rpm @ 70 mph.

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I had previously owned an 86 Jetta & will disagree with you on that. The 5-speed with the 1.8L gas engine was geared very tall.
At 70 mph, I would be turning only around 2800. I found this tall gearing gave it great highway mileage (37-40 mpg) It was a great car that gave me over 225k of use before burning up the original clutch.
My L200 on the other hand is geared short. I can turn 3100 rpm @ 70 mph.
i have been in an 88 jetta and it was like that too. It was like 2500 @ 60. That was a friends car and I had an '89 it was geared short. It wan't a GLI or anything either. I HAD a '92 GLi and that had the "close ratio" gearbox and that was definitly geared short, but on the otherhad it was a rocket on the highway, no need to drop a gear, just hit the gas and away you go.

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How can you say that? They are no louder than an ION or an S series.
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How can you say this, i can easily do 80 and don't even hit 3k rpm. At about 4 grand i am easily doing 100.

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How can you say this, i can easily do 80 and don't even hit 3k rpm. At about 4 grand i am easily doing 100.
Its designed that way. Its not a design fault... look at the horsepower and torque curves of that engine. What about my VUE that turns 3,175 RPM at 71 MPH?
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Coming from a family that's now had 3 VW Jetta Diesels{1991 GL Wolfsburg, 1996 GL, 2002 GL TDI(Current)} and 3 Saturns{2001 SL, 2002 SC1(Current), 2003 ION2(Current)} The noise level on the Saturn S's were about the same as the older VW's. The ION & 2002 TDI are about the same. The 1996 & 2002 never had a problem leaving the S's in the dust. The ION keeps pace with that little 90hp 1.9L even in the hills, but is quicker off the line. And for the record my SL was in the shop more than either VW. If you do feel the urge to buy a Jetta avoid the gas models at all costs, they're buzzy{prefer being above 3000RPM always}, hard on fuel, must burn super, and notoriously unreliable. VW really shines when it comes diesel, tough{typically 500,000 - 700,000kms before a rebuild is required}, fuel efficient{55-70 Imp.MPG}, extremely reliable, & have enough torque to walk away from any V-6 on a hill.

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