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Old 07-27-2001, 10:53 PM   #1
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Default VUE. How fuel efficient? Can anyone say?

One thing I like about my LS1 is that it is one of the most fuel efficient mid-size cars.

Does anyone have an idea what type of fuel efficiency we can expect from the different VUE drivetrains?

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Old 07-28-2001, 11:32 AM   #2
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That seems to be the big question. As far as I know, the retailers are still in the dark. (I keep asking).

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Old 07-28-2001, 12:27 PM   #3
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Andre- As a fellow LS1 owner I have the same question as you. My LS1 currently serves all the needs I have for a car larger than my S series. Frankly, the only reasons I'd want a VUE would be for vacations and tailgating at football games. It certainly wouldn't be worth a major decrease in year round mpg for just those reasons.

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Old 07-28-2001, 01:05 PM   #4
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Andre- As a fellow LS1 owner I have the same question as you. My LS1 currently serves all the needs I have for a car larger than my S series. Frankly, the only reasons I'd want a VUE would be for vacations and tailgating at football games. It certainly wouldn't be worth a major decrease in year round mpg for just those reasons.
Well John, it seems there wont be much contreversy on this post.

Not the the Saturn wagons don't look nice; I think the're great, but I imagine the VUE as a sporty looking wagon.

I live in a city with a real winter. But even here, few people need serious offroad capabilities. AWD might help you out of a snowbank, but that's about it. If we could get a sporty little SUV that is not too difficult to park, does not guzzle too much gaz, is safe to drive and gives the cargo room of a wagon a lot of buyers would be happy. Even nicer if on our salty roads the body panels can't rust.

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Old 07-28-2001, 03:37 PM   #5
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A very good question. There should be some figures available somewhere. Of course, the EPA mileage figures always seem to be the last specs publicized.

I think we will have to wait a bit longer for 1) the official EPA specs and 2) real world experience to see if the EPA numbers are good estimates or not. So even when the EPA numbers come out, there's always the possibility of them being either too conservative or too optimistic.

I expect that the Vue will not be too different from the LW's. The VTi (aka the CVT) and the all electric steering may help offset the SUV factors (weight, etc) that might erode MPG.


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Old 07-28-2001, 03:43 PM   #6
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By the time you take a 4-cylinder or 6-cylinder, bog it down with a brick shaped (albiet a slick brick) on top, load it up with all of the power gadgets, automatic tranny, A/C, and human cargo you are talking 22 tops from mixed driving.

My SL2 gets about 28 on the highway and about 18 around the city. This is with the A/C on and stop-n-go traffic. Interestingly, my last car, a 1996 Olds LSS with a 205 hp 3800 Series II got 29 on the highway and about 15 in town.

Anytime you strain a motor with all of that, it will suck gas. Big cars geared properly will get decent MPG on the highway - witness the Corvette.

My wife's old GMC Jimmy SLT with the 4.3 Vortec got about 15 around town and 18 on the highway. The VUE should be a little better, but don't buy it for the mileage.

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Old 07-28-2001, 10:02 PM   #7
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Well I've read that the VUE will only be about 150lbs heavier than a similarly-equipped L-series wagon. If that's true, with the CVT and five-speed automatic transmissions, gas mileage should theoretically be similar to an L. What do you think?


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Old 07-28-2001, 10:21 PM   #8
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The weight differential might be small, but you've got to remember one thing: most of the fuel expended to drive at highway speeds, particularly above 55mph, is to push air around (i.e., to overcome wind resistance). The VUE is a much taller profile vehicle than the LW, and will therefore suffer a penalty, certainly in actual, if not EPA rated, gas mileage because of this fact.

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Old 07-28-2001, 10:32 PM   #9
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Good point. I was just being optimistic. In the end, it is a compact SUV afterall--we'll just have to see how it is. Remember, this is Saturn. Maybe theyve got something (like good gas mileage estimates) up their sleeve. :-)

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Old 07-28-2001, 10:50 PM   #10
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On the plus side (surprised I forgot about this, since I posted something about it myself a while back), the VUE will have a 5 speed, as opposed to 4 speed, automatic, which probably means a taller top gear for highway driving (which, in turn, should help offset the aerodynamic disadvantage a bit). Should be interesting to see what the mileage ends up being.

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Old 07-29-2001, 08:35 PM   #11
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That's the reason I said <b> five-speed automatic </b> in my original post. :-) I should've made what I was saying more clear in the first place. I'll do that now.

What I was saying is, that, with the minimal weight difference (even though you're right, of course, there is some aerodynamic difference), and the added fuel efficiencies of both the CVT and the five-speed automatic, we should see gas mileage similar to an L-series wagon. Possibly even an L-series sedan. Wouldn't that be nice? The VUE would sell like hotcakes if that's the case. I certainly hope so. What do you think?

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Old 07-29-2001, 08:46 PM   #12
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I heard awhile ago that Saturn is truly trying to make this a "different" kind of SUV by (among other things) making it one of the - if not the - most fuel efficient SUV on the road. I am also curious as to what they have planned, but the CVT and 5-speed auto should help.

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Old 07-31-2001, 11:38 AM   #13
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I heard awhile ago that Saturn is truly trying to make this a "different" kind of SUV by (among other things) making it one of the - if not the - most fuel efficient SUV on the road. I am also curious as to what they have planned, but the CVT and 5-speed auto should help.
Let's hope that this comes true. It would be way cool if Saturn could have a well balanced SUV entry that has very impressive fuel economy figures.

I am still wondering what final pricing will be like. I'm a bit worried that they won't be able to go as low as some of the recent competition, especially things like the Hyundai Santa Fe. Of course, if fuel economy comes out really good, and insurance costs stay low, then maybe these could be used as arguments against the lower purchase price of the competition, but the buying public really seems to be sensitive to initial costs.

OTOH, I have hopes that Saturn will somehow be able to be more aggressive than expected in pricing. But then, I don't want them killing a beneficial source of profit either.

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