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Old 06-20-2001, 12:19 PM   #1
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I never really noticed it b4 so it must have something to do with what I've been getting from this board. Or maybe its part of mid-life crisis....but I really noticed it today. My SL1 with 5 souls on board and the A/C running seemed to be a little tired. Show me the "performance" petetion. Now that I signed up with the GM Visa card I'll be looking foward to an SL2 or better 4 years from now at lease end.

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Old 06-20-2001, 02:48 PM   #2
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try an 85hp automatic 92 sl1 with the air on. it really sucks. I turn my air on at the lights and then turn it off when the light turns green.

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Old 06-20-2001, 03:11 PM   #3
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My 94 SL Manual doesn't do any better too. Whenever the AC's on and accel from dead stop, mine is the last in the pack.....turning off the AC during acceleration has a feeling of switch on the Turbo button, the car jumps without AC!

However; with 40+mpg out of this little Eco-SL, I'm not complaining how long I'd need to get up to speed.

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Old 06-20-2001, 08:03 PM   #4
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I just experienced that today myself - 2001 SL1. Accelerating from lights with the A/C on almost made it feel like the car was stuck in 2nd gear. But, I do agree that 40 mpg (or 38 in my case) is <blah> good! There's really not much you can do to improve performance with the A/C on, except buy a larger displacement engine.

I used to drive a '93 SL2a. I can't say there was much of a difference between that car and my '01 with the A/C on, although I never piled 4 other people in the car with me!

Just wait till 2003-2004 to cash in your GM dollars. Then we *should* have a turbo coupe!

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Old 06-20-2001, 08:09 PM   #5
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I enjoy the heck out of my 93 85hp SL1 especially the R12 a/c, much colder much quicker than my wife's 96SL2. I do find myself planting the right foot all the way down more with the a/c on tho, which cycles the compresser off (?) and gives me back the 20 or so hp that it takes away to keep my overdressed self cool. It's still a whole lot quicker than my last car, 86 Mazda GLC (67hp?) that thing had room for 4 or more people, but only enough power to take 1 up a hill, lol!
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Old 06-20-2001, 10:30 PM   #6
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The air conditioning vs. acceleration issue is one thing that really surprised me about my 2001 SC2. When I had my 1995 SL2, the AC definitely impacted acceleration, but I was pleasantly surprised when first test-driving my new SC2 that it did not make a noticeable impact. I am now at 2,500 miles and still have not had the AC impact acceleration. What changes have been made to the AC system since '95 to cause this performance jump?

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Old 06-20-2001, 11:22 PM   #7
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Geo Metro. 55 horsepower. Now the real question is: What slows down the car faster, the brakes or turning on the A/C???

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Old 06-20-2001, 11:56 PM   #8
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The air conditioning vs. acceleration issue is one thing that really surprised me about my 2001 SC2. When I had my 1995 SL2, the AC definitely impacted acceleration, but I was pleasantly surprised when first test-driving my new SC2 that it did not make a noticeable impact. I am now at 2,500 miles and still have not had the AC impact acceleration. What changes have been made to the AC system since '95 to cause this performance jump?
If that's the case, then indeed something has changed(sounds like for the better). My 92SC is slow to rev when the air is on, and just like someone else said, turning off the AC button when begin to accellerate does feel like a turbo boost. And this is a twin cam, so all you single cammers out there, youre not alone. Its not embarassingly slow with it on, but then again it doesn't feel all that peppy either.

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Old 06-21-2001, 07:47 PM   #9
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I enjoy the heck out of my 93 85hp SL1 especially the R12 a/c, much colder much quicker than my wife's 96SL2.

is the R12 an aftermarket a/c? If so, where did you get it? I was looking for a really good a/c to replace mine when it goes out, 125,000 miles and still going strong, but it was making a loud ticking/clicking noise at one time, gone now though. Oh well,

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Old 06-21-2001, 08:21 PM   #10
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R12 is the old refrigerant, now replaced by R134. Since it's no longer legally produced, the price of R12 to recharge older systems has skyrocketed.

Most shops will now convert R12 systems to R134 if any major work is being done.

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Old 06-21-2001, 10:28 PM   #11
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<whisper> where can I get some of this...."R12"??</whisper><twist wiry mustache>

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Old 06-21-2001, 10:37 PM   #12
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<whisper> I have a 20lb canister of this...R12...sitting in my shed. But I don't know how to get it to you. Look on the Internet--I'm sure you can find some. </whisper>

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Old 06-21-2001, 10:42 PM   #13
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I don't know much about a/c.....in fact....<cough>I know nothing, so what all is involved? I just buy this stuff, "drain" my old stuff out, put this in and "walla", colder air?

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Old 06-22-2001, 08:53 AM   #14
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A couple of posters on this board mentioned using the rebates earned on their GM Cards towards the purchase of their next Saturn. Unless I'm wrong ––or GM changed it's policy –– I don't think Saturn accepts GM Card rebates.

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Old 06-22-2001, 11:03 AM   #15
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With my 2000 SW2, I can feel a *small* lag with the A/C - usually not noticeable unless you cycle the button at 3/4 throttle. You feel a small surge then.

I once carried five people in an old 82 Tercel I had, with a whopping 62 HP. The more exciting part was stopping that little beast with the extra 700lb or so of weight!

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Old 06-22-2001, 06:10 PM   #16
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Depending on the year of your car, you can or can't put in R12. All Saturns before 1995 use R12, unless they've been converted. All 1995+ models use the new R134a refrigerant. I know you can convert from R12 to R134a, but I don't know if you can go the other way around. I know that if you put R134a in an R12 system, it won't cool as well becuase R134a isn't as efficient of a refrigerant. You MIGHT be able to put R12 into your 134a system, but I'm not sure. I do know that R134a a/c system components are made much larger than R12 components to accomodate more refrigerant. I don't really know why the 134 systems you have seem to cool less efficiently than the R12 systems. Maybe Saturn didn't make the 134 systems bigger for some reason? Maybe Joey can help us out here if he's still around right now.

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Old 06-22-2001, 06:13 PM   #17
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Kerry if you'd give me a little time, I can ask some of my friends who are into A/C work. If you have the 134 system and it isn't cooling well, you should check into a possible refrigerant leak. There is an ultriviolet dye that you can add to your system to find refrigerant leaks. Now THAT I could have shipped to you if you needed it. Let me know what you'd like me to do. If I can help you any more, let me know.

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Old 06-22-2001, 11:21 PM   #18
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No, my a/c is working fine really. It's just as cold as the when it was new, but my dad's in his Buick makes the car freezing in a matter of seconds in 100 degree heat! I'm just looking for a way to make my system perform better than stock. If you can get me some more info Saturnfan it would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 06-25-2001, 01:54 PM   #19
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The GM card does NOT work towards Saturns, Saabs, or EV1s. The fine print will get you every time.

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Old 06-25-2001, 11:01 PM   #20
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The GM card does NOT work towards Saturns, Saabs, or EV1s. The fine print will get you every time.
This is on another thread but I'll reply here. I mentioned that here in Canada it DOES apply and that's in the fine print. Sorry if it doesn't apply in the US of A. Saturns are marketed in Canada by GMCanada under Saturn,Saab,Izuzu. The GM Visa earns points towards them all.

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